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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Katy Clark

I think that Stuart Munro also said that he was not convinced that it was not possible to carry out research and that there had been discussion about it in England. That is a UK-wide piece of legislation, and, because there was a lack of clarity, the UK Government in Westminster introduced legislation to enable research to take place. Is it clear that we cannot carry out research? Is that particular aspect—that narrow issue—something that you have given consideration to? It can be a yes or no answer.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Katy Clark

Can you say any more about how that information will be used and how the person will be informed? What will be the processes in that respect? Will they be similar to what you have just outlined?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Katy Clark

Indeed. I lodged a final bill proposal this morning, but that is for a different discussion.

The 2002 freedom of information legislation enables designation of more bodies. Do you envisage there being provision to extend the range of bodies that are covered, if experience requires it?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Katy Clark

The regulations apply to

“a person with whom they”—

that is, Social Security Scotland—

“come into contact”.

Who, other than clients, would the organisation come into contact with? How would those people be informed about the use of their information?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Katy Clark

It is proposed that the council be given powers to request information from a very wide range of organisations. Can you justify that? Why are such extensive information-seeking powers proposed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Katy Clark

I want to go back to the issue of evidence and data. Last week, we considered the Scottish Government’s proposal that a majority in a jury should be changed to eight out of 12, but we also considered the possibility of it being 10 out of 12.

Sandy Brindley, I appreciate that we have no hard data and that there is no concrete evidence on this, but what are your impressions—anecdotally, from the women with whom Rape Crisis Scotland works—on the outcomes from juries? How often is the decision, either to convict or to acquit, unanimous, and how often is the jury split? What kind of splits are you told about? I appreciate that you might not have formally surveyed the women with whom Rape Crisis Scotland works, but what is your impression? I feel that we are working in the dark, so even anecdotal information is of interest.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Katy Clark

Are complainers not given the information on the majority?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Katy Clark

Is it your understanding that the Crown and the defence agents are not provided with that information either? We can obviously take up that point with them.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Katy Clark

My question is similar to Fulton MacGregor’s, as I want to pick up on what Sandy Brindley said earlier about wrongful acquittals. The Scottish Government is proposing to offset any impact on conviction rates that might be caused by the abolition of the not proven verdict. That is, it would address the balance between convictions and acquittals by changing jury size. Do you accept that that would have the result that there is likely to be no change, given that you have just said that only a handful of cases would be affected? Would the change in jury size offset the abolition of the verdict in the way that the Scottish Government suggests?