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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Katy Clark

I want to ask about independent legal representation, in order to put on the record the views of the witnesses and, in particular, those of Sheila Webster, because she has spoken a number of times about the whole judicial process and not just the court element.

Given everything that survivors and rape victims have said about the disempowering nature of the whole process for them, and given its adversarial nature, does Sheila Webster not think that there is a strong case for those people to have advice and legal representation throughout the process, so that they will understand what is going on and their interests will be protected? Perhaps, given the time, Sheila can respond briefly.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Katy Clark

It would be fair to ask Professor Munro if she has anything to add to that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

It happens in many parts of Europe, and indeed in parts of South America and in other jurisdictions, but I appreciate that you may not have looked at those.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

Did the review consider whether complainers might be provided with independent legal representation in a wider range of circumstances? You may be aware that, in other jurisdictions in recent decades, legal representation has been introduced throughout the process in some cases. Did the review group consider that, or have you given any thought to it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

Have you looked at other jurisdictions, or did you not do that in any detail? Did you consider whether some of the consequences that we have been discussing have transpired in other countries where independent legal representation has been brought in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

As you know, one concern that is raised repeatedly by survivors and victims organisations is the lack of power and information that many rape victims in particular feel throughout the process—not only during the court process but from the very early stages.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Sexual Offences Cases

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Katy Clark

As you know, one of the major concerns—

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Katy Clark

Continuing on that theme, chief constable, you have mentioned court delays being a major factor in retraumatising survivors and victims. However, you will know very well—because I am sure that the situation is similar in other parts of the UK—that, historically, victims’ experiences of police services in the context of violence against women and girls have been poor. I appreciate that a whole raft of work is being done, but how will you evaluate whether women are finding the service more supportive and effective? What thought have you given to whether the changes are working?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Katy Clark

Thank you. That is helpful. Members of this committee are often frustrated that we sometimes have difficulty in getting data shared with us. I very much hope that, as somebody new in the post of chief constable, you would want to work closely with this committee. Many of us were pleased that a woman was appointed for the first time, and we want to have a strong relationship with you all. Could you share that evaluation with us on an on-going basis so that we can see whether there is an improvement in victims’ experience?

10:45  

In your opening statement, there was a lot of mention of change. For a lot of people, that will ring alarm bells, because change often means cuts. You have said that £2 billion has already been saved as a result of the creation of Police Scotland, but you have also outlined a number of difficulties with new systems that are partly related to the creation of Police Scotland, including body-worn cameras. It is not a one-way street. There are problems, obviously, and a lot of resources have gone into the reorganisation.

Do you accept that there is a big gulf between what the public expect from the police and what senior management thinks are the correct models? Many people are hugely frustrated that there seems to be less police visibility in their communities. When people phone the police, perhaps for what the police see as a routine matter, they do not get the response that they want. That is not necessarily just down to police numbers, although there is a big political fight over police numbers.

We understand from the most recent announcement that 29 police stations are under threat, is that part of a continuing programme, and will there be further announcements that police stations will close? Will you give a bit more detail on that? I understand that some of the estate is old and might not be fit for purpose. It might be that new facilities will be built or repurposed, whether that is through co-location or in another way. Will you give us a bit more detail about the programme?