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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

I understand that you will be publishing your proposals and your thinking, but will all the raw data and submissions be published? Will that be available to the public?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

I am a little concerned that we are straying from the legal point. I understand that you have a long-term programme of work, and I have heard many people mention that wet wipes are being used at the scenes of incidents, but the point that I am making is that you are sending firefighters out when there is no safe system of work and you have legal liability. What is your response to that? It is clear that firefighters are regularly being contaminated when they attend scenes and that there is no safe system of work in that regard.

I appreciate everything that you have said—we have heard that evidence previously—but I need to put to you the point that the fire service is exposed. What is your response to that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

Will you be publishing submissions?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

There may be practical issues around it, so it would be very helpful if you could write to us about that.

I have a supplementary question that picks up on some of the points that were made at the end of the earlier evidence session, which you may have heard. I know that you are well aware of the risks to firefighters in relation to decontamination and no doubt are giving a great deal of consideration to how the service responds to that. You have already mentioned the requirement to provide a safe system of work for firefighters. Legally, you have to provide a safe system of work and you should not be sending firefighters out unless there is a safe system of work in place. It is quite clear that, currently, there is often no safe system of work. How are you responding to that? What are you doing now to ensure that you meet your legal responsibilities as an employer?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

Do you think that it provides a safe system of work now?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

I want to ask about the fire service’s work on potential reforms. Do you feel reassured that the FBU’s concerns are being listened to in the development of a final set of planned service changes?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

I will not touch on budget and resource issues, because one of my colleagues will ask about that later.

I understand that there are more than 3,700 submissions. Could you give us more detail on the main issues that you are looking at? What is the broad outline of what you are considering and what people are saying to you? Will you be publishing all the submissions, along with a summary of the issues that are raised? How are you going to communicate with everybody on the process that you are going through?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

Will all the submissions be published?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Katy Clark

I have visited a number of fire stations, and it is quite clear that in some of them it would be practically impossible for there to be safe systems of work due to a lack of showering facilities, for example. I appreciate that there may be cultural points, but perhaps you could address some of the resource issues, and then we can go on to the cultural issues.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Katy Clark

That is helpful. We will look at the example of East Dunbartonshire, because, as you know, violence in schools is a big issue in that area in particular.

The committee heard evidence that the provisions in part 4 that relate to the ability to remove a child from any domestic abuse education, might not be compliant with international obligations and the UNCRC. Was that raised with you at any point? Was it considered when you drafted the bill? Having gone through the member’s bill process, I know that such matters are often looked at. Will you respond to the suggestion that the provision might not be compliant?