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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Katy Clark

Without focusing on the specific example that I mentioned, as it might be an extreme one, can you give us a bit more information about how possession of drugs is dealt with in prisons? It might have all sorts of consequences, including on length of sentence.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Katy Clark

Is the fact that we have such inconsistency of practice due to a lack of resource, or is it a cultural or organisational problem? I do not know whether Suzy Calder has a view on that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Katy Clark

The committee has met small groups of former prisoners in private to discuss their experiences of drugs in prisons, and one of the people whom we met told us that, originally, he had been expected to serve a nine-year sentence but, in reality, had served 27 years in prison due to drug issues and drug use. Do you recognise that scenario? Will you tell us a bit more about how possession of drugs is dealt with in the prison system? Perhaps Linda Pollock might be the best person to come in on that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Katy Clark

So it is treated as a criminal matter. I understand.

We have heard a lot of evidence of inconsistency of practice across prisons and, in particular, inconsistency of provision of medication, recovery and other support services. The Scottish Recovery Consortium has said that there should be a minimum set of standards across prisons. What is your response to that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Katy Clark

You have made the point about access and organisation more than once in your evidence today, and we have also heard a lot of evidence about the lack of continuity of care and inconsistencies throughout the system in relation to throughcare and release. We have heard many examples of very good practice in some prisons, but clearly it is not uniform, and there are some very bad examples, too. Can you tell us a little bit about how you think good practice can be shared across the estate?

Perhaps you can also pick up some of the points that have already been made about whether the problem is lack of resource or cultural, and about whether we are not organising ourselves well enough to ensure that we are able to deliver, for example, the throughcare and release planning that is needed. As we know, the evidence shows that the more planning for release that is done, the more successful that release is and the less reoffending that takes place.

Who would like to respond to that?

10:45  

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Katy Clark

I would like to declare an interest, in that I am a member of the House of Lords, on leave of absence.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Katy Clark

I have a brief supplementary on that topic, which might be for Victoria Marland. What is likely to happen with prison populations? Is the issue down to demographics? Is it to do with there being a lot of young men of a certain age? Can you add anything on what you think might happen?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Katy Clark

Okay. Do any of the other witnesses have anything to say about what is likely to happen with prison populations over the next few years? I know that there are many variables, but I am wondering what you are being told.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Katy Clark

I, too, was going to ask the witnesses about women.

Given everything that you have said, is it fair to say that the new prison at Stirling and the two new women’s custody units have put a lot more focus on these issues, and that the fact that they are new facilities has been positive for the direction of travel?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Katy Clark

We talked about meaningful activities earlier. I get the impression that, although it is not quite a postcode lottery, the picture in different parts of Scotland is variable. The pressures in different prisons are very different, and the overcrowding in some prisons is far more extreme than in others. During Covid, prisoners were generally not allowed out of their cells.

I often get the impression from speaking with prisoners and their families that what is happening in prisons varies. The picture is not uniform, and there are pockets of good practice—perhaps in Stirling and the two women’s custody units, and no doubt in many other places. Is that your experience? Is that a fair comment on the issue?