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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Katy Clark

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Katy Clark

The reason that I have heard ministers give for introducing framework legislation is the resource and cost that go into co-design. They argue that, if they do not know whether the Parliament will approve a piece of legislation, the significant cost and resource that would be required to create the detail are not justified.

How do you respond to that and to suggestions that have been made to the committee that there should be longer periods attached to the scrutiny of secondary legislation? There has been reference to a number of days. In situations in which a bill that does not have all the detail is passed, should there be an enhanced scrutiny process for secondary legislation that is set out in the bill in far greater detail? Finlay Carson, would you like to come in first?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

So, you would say that there is always the possibility of taking forward a more formal complaint.

From your experience of dealing with different complaints, do you think it is fair to say that there can be inconsistencies? With regard to the cases that you have looked at, do you have any concerns about how specific groups in the community experience their interactions with the police? For example, do you think that there is a social class issue? Is there anything that we need to be aware of?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

My question is not really about process; it is about whether you have come to any conclusions? Have you got any concerns? For example, people in more deprived and poorer communities may get a different service from that which, say, a middle-class woman may get. Is that not something that you would consider?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I appreciate that, but does the process not still sometimes involve local officers to take forward whatever has come out of the complaint process?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

Yes, but that might often require action by the officer to engage with the constituent and the member of the public to resolve whatever the issue is. Is that fair to say?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

So, you do not have any concerns about whether there is an inconsistency thereafter, and that is not something that you have looked at or have views on. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I appreciate that concerns about service are raised by the public in a number of ways, not always as a formal complaint and, as you said, not always with yourself. From casework from my constituents, it appears that there can be an inconsistency in the way that issues are dealt with, and that there are some specialist staff who are dealing with complaints at a more regional level in a way that shows a high level of training and a specialism in dealing with these kinds of matters. However, when it goes back to a local level, the standard sometimes seems different. Would you recognise that as a fair description? Is that something that you have looked at or have views on? How do we get consistency in how issues are dealt with?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I am thinking about specific cases that I have been involved with, and I am trying to understand whether there is a more general issue of inconsistency. Centralisation may mean that there are specialist staff who have very good skills in dealing with complaints, but are you concerned that they are not the only players in the process? Is that something that you have looked at or have views on?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

Yes, I am.