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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Some of the criticism of the bill has been about the financial cost. Apparently, there is potential that the cost will be much greater than is suggested in the financial memorandum. However, Police Scotland must spend significant sums of money on such cases each year and on payouts in the region of that which your client received. Has it been considered that the police could think again about the culture of pursuing such costly cases and use that resource to ensure that systems and complaints processes are improved?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

So, part of the reason is to protect the reputation of the organisation, and, as we have heard from Bill Johnstone, there is also an element of individual protection.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Bill Johnstone and other witnesses have said that, at the outset, every complaint should be looked at by some independent entity. There are huge cost implications to that. We have already heard concerns about the cost of the bill perhaps being much greater than the financial memorandum states. Would you agree that, at the outset, every complaint would need to go through an independent body or some kind of sifting process?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Right.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

That is why you are here.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

That was an absolute catch-22 situation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

You have nowhere to turn at the end of the day.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

The bill gives the PIRC much greater powers, so that might be the solution.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

You are in the right place as far as freedom of information is concerned. Katy Clark is proposing a bill to improve and strengthen the freedom of information legislation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

As the PIRC later established, you effectively had to conduct your own investigation to get answers. All that was compounded by the complaints process that we are looking at today. You have already done so, but can you explain the tactics? There were delays, the mischaracterisation of heads of complaint and attempts to put pressure on you. How would you summarise the entire complaints process? What did it do to you and how did it make you feel?