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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill:Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Sure.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

In that case, you would have shared your information with someone else in the Crown Office.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

However, if that does happen, it will come with a price tag, and we do not know what that will be.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

As my colleague Sharon Dowey said, delays cause huge problems for complainers and, indeed, police officers. We heard from one officer whose case took 900 days from start to finish before he was cleared, and he also spoke of colleagues taking their own lives while they were the subject of complaints. When CAAPD has become aware of cases in which officers have died of suicide, have you liaised and shared that information with Crown Office colleagues?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The Crown Office website has, I think, been updated fairly recently to acknowledge the fact that some people might have a fundamental lack of trust—or confidence—in their complaint being properly advanced by Police Scotland. It is great that that is out there, but the fact is that you would ordinarily direct the same people back to Police Scotland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

And that decision is based entirely on the information that you get back being accurate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Does that refer to the error in this order?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I presume that you tell complainers when a final decision has been made. Is that a matter of routine?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Bill

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Yes, I do—thank you, convener.

The LCMs relate to the UK Criminal Justice Bill. There is reference in the submission from the Scottish Government to a House of Commons debate on 11 January this year, and it says that the Scottish Government rejected clauses 11 and 12 of the UK bill, which relate to causing people to commit online self-harm. There have been tragic cases of young people harming themselves and even taking their own lives, having been coerced and manipulated by others to do so.

I see from Hansard that the application of the offence in Scotland was rejected by the Scottish Government. Given the importance of a consistent UK-wide approach to some of the other measures that have been adopted, as the Scottish Government’s submission notes, can you explain the thinking behind that particular decision?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Russell Findlay

In 2018, your predecessor, Kate Frame, raised concerns about the case of an innocent man who had been wrongly locked up after the police failed to check his identity. Police Scotland recorded that as a quality-of-service complaint. In a letter to the committee before my time here, Ms Frame said that Police Scotland’s handling of the case

“suggests an endeavour to keep matters hidden.”

Other witnesses have told us about Police Scotland keeping serious alleged crimes in-house and not sharing them with the Crown or the PIRC. Many of those same people—whose evidence I am sure that you will have heard—have absolutely no faith in the PIRC in respect of their complaints. Since those days, can Police Scotland now be trusted to fully disclose such cases as they should?