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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

[Inaudible.]—blaming Westminster legislation for 10 years of hell in the police complaints process, you know.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

A similar theme arises in respect of the proposed police barred and advisory lists. The bill proposes that those would be managed by the SPA. The SPA’s position is that Police Scotland would be better served taking those on, and Police Scotland has told us the same. Does that not perhaps go the other way and risk giving the public the perception that the police are controlling the lists? Is that a good thing? What is your thinking behind why it should be done the way in which you propose?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Those sorts of issues are, quite suddenly, taking up a huge amount of the PIRC’s time. Uniquely, Police Scotland does not have body cameras as standard issue, although that is going to be announced very soon by the Scottish Government. Do you believe—or hope—that that will result in a reduction in the number of complaints in general, but also of those of assault? It seems logical that it would, but I do not want to put words in your mouth.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

We have also taken evidence from a solicitor called Margaret Gribbon, who has acted on behalf of a number of police officers, some of whom are female. The cases, which are in the public domain already, were protracted and resulted in huge financial pay-outs. Careers were destroyed and, in some cases, health was impacted. Margaret Gribbon said to us:

“I am afraid to say that nothing that I have seen has convinced me that there has been sufficient change since the Rhona Malone”—

Rhona Malone was one of her cases—

“judgment. It is inevitable that there is going to be another case or cases of that type.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 24 April 2024; c 3.]

People who are, and have been, involved for many years in seeing the worst excesses of the system are not confident, given what has gone on previously. Can you reassure them? What in the bill specifically will persuade people that that situation will be fixed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I have an extension to the question about procedures and what is happening now that perhaps did not used to happen. One thing that we have learned is that, since 21 October, any allegation of assault is automatically reported to the PIRC. Does that include minor offences, such as the classic tightened-handcuff allegation? Would that count as an alleged assault?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

That leads me directly to the next question. We have heard evidence from people, whether police officers or members of the public, that complaints that they have made have been miscategorised, in their opinion. There have been examples of criminal allegations not being reported to CAAPD, as they should have been, to the extent that Police Scotland’s website now advises people that they can report directly to CAAPD. As the head of the professional standards department—I do not know how long you have been in post—can you say whether those problems have been fixed? If not, are you confident that the bill will do that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I would like a quick clarification on something that Mr Speirs said about numbers of cases. I think that he said that the PIRC had found that 70 per cent or so had been handled satisfactorily by Police Scotland. That means that 30 per cent had not. He described that as a small number. However, three out of 10 being handled badly is not a good rate, is it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

As Lady Elish said, both the previous chief constable and the new chief constable have said that Police Scotland considers itself to be institutionally racist, sexist and discriminatory, and much of what the bill does attempts to address that. Does the SPA see itself—and would it categorise itself—the same way?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

We have heard evidence from former police officers and members of the public of a lack of trust in Police Scotland on some occasions, and the SPA and Police Scotland work closely together, so it is not as though you are casually bandying information around with third parties, so I wonder whether it might be better that the lists are the responsibility of the Scottish Police Authority, as proposed in the bill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The bill also proposes a duty of candour, which the SPA supports. However, from its submission, it is not clear whether the SPA supports the off-duty duty of candour, which is not in the bill. The submission suggests that you might support that. Can you clarify that?