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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

There have been quite a few references to Lady Elish’s testimony to the committee last week, with the suggestion being that everything is pretty good. However, it is probably worth recalling that she produced a report that laid bare a dysfunctional system of police compliance and regulation and which made 111 recommendations, most of which require legislation to enact. In the absence of Martyn Evans, I ask Fiona McQueen whether the Scottish Police Authority considers itself to be institutionally racist, sexist and discriminatory.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Does the SPA have a view on whether the duty should apply to police staff and non-police officers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Thank you. Ms McQueen, in your opening remarks, you talked about the importance of the process being transparent, efficient and fair for the public and police officers, but we have heard evidence from whistleblowers that the complaints process is sometimes, to use their words, “weaponised” and used against them. There was an example of a former female officer who proved sexist discrimination in an employment tribunal and she has been trapped in a process that is nine—going on 10—years long, which is hardly efficient or swift. That case is still with the SPA, as it happens. She has lost her career, she has lost her health and she has lost every penny that she had. She believes that the process is punishment, and I do not think that her case is unusual, because I have heard of many similar cases. Does the bill adequately protect whistleblowers, and will it do anything to change the culture that exists in the SPA and Police Scotland?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Do you refer everything, even a complaint about excessive force?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The figures in the financial memorandum might actually go down—you never know.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The PIRC previously raised with the committee a particular shocking case in which an individual was wrongly arrested, locked up for a number of days and subsequently apologised to and compensated. That was a number of years ago. Are you now confident, post-Angiolini, that that type of incident is not likely to reoccur? Does it require legislation to prevent such matters from reoccurring or will the non-legislative parts of the Angiolini report’s recommendations, which are mostly implemented, prevent something like that from happening again?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Sorry, what does the number 140 relate to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Section 6 of the bill will allow for the continuation of gross misconduct proceedings once an officer retires or resigns. In response to that, your submission says that, when that happens, it should be subject to a public interest test, which obviously makes sense—it should not be so prescriptive as to require every case to be pursued when there may be good reasons not to do so. Could you offer a definition of what that public interest test might look like, and whether it should be set out in the bill? Does the bill need to be amended so that it is clearer about what sets of circumstances the provision might apply to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Good morning, panel. Much of the SPA’s position seems to be supportive of the PIRC getting new powers and even taking on some of the responsibilities that currently lie with the SPA. However, the PIRC has told us that it cannot—it is unable to, or perhaps it does not want to—take on some of those powers I will not bog you down with the specifics. I am sure—I hope—that you are across some of the PIRC’s evidence.

For example, in your responses to sections 11, 12 and 13 of the call for views, I see that you have suggested that the PIRC should take things on.

In the rather unusual set of circumstances in which two bodies are apparently trying to give away or not take powers, are you talking directly with the PIRC, or do you hope that the problem will be resolved through the legislative process?

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