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I have a final question, but would you like to come in on that one, Mary?

Tracey first, please.

When there are recruitment and retention issues, there is pressure on staff. In my experience of the NHS, one of the first things to go is training and research. How could the bill protect staff when it comes to research and training?

We always focus on training, and we know that it is vital to everything, including people’s wellbeing as they go through their career. What about research? How can we be sure that research is being done by people who want to do research? We are going to come on to questions from Gillian Mackay about data, but there should be rich data. How can we ensure that people from other areas who want to do research for social work get to do it?

We are hearing that the cost of setting up the NCS could be up to £1.5 billion. Do you think that such an expensive restructuring is the best way to improve social care delivery? I will start with Tracy Dalling.

I will stay with you, Tracey, because I want you to be clear. I do not want to put words in your mouth, but given what I am hearing, this is my question. Do you trust that all the things in the bill will be delivered at that cost, and do you believe that staff will be looked after?

Could you explain why?

We are used to seeing details in bills, because it is on issues of detail and delivery that a bill can fail. I do not get into my car and drive without knowing my destination.

What exactly is the panel’s understanding of what co-design is? Colin Poolman alluded to that. What about the people who are missing, such as people who have palliative care needs? Who feeds into the process, and at what level? How does the Scottish Government reach out? Who makes the decisions? How transparent is the final design? Will there be a board that makes the final decisions? Do all voices—for example, that of the Royal College of Nursing versus that of one person—hold equal sway?

I have asked a lot of questions, but my question is basically about what the witnesses understand by the co-design process and whether that is clear.

I would like to start with Kay McVeigh. Does the bill as it is laid out guarantee robust training for all staff that are being transferred?

With regard to recruitment and retention, I have heard Alison Bavidge say that the average social worker is in post for six years—