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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am sorry, but I was asking about something specific. You would not be against the use of placards that showed aborted fetuses, for example, and you would not be against people shouting in the street outside clinics.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Okay—that is fine. I just want to be clear. There is a distinction between protest and silent vigils, which is something that we need to look at.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am also asking about shouting in the street—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I use the word “protest” because Isabel Vaughan-Spruce spoke about protest and the difference between protest and what she does with vigils.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

It was important to draw that distinction and to understand your point of view on what you and Isabel Vaughan-Spruce termed “protest” and what was being said about silent prayer, which are two slightly different topics.

In the evidence session with the police and the solicitor last week, the committee heard that, if this bill were to pass, there would be no distinction between protesting in relation to abortion—both for and against—or any other forms of protest, regardless of what the protest is. For example, it could be a protest against Eljamel, the health board or whatever. What are your thoughts on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

That is why primary care is the best type of care.

Thank you very much for that response on what is a very complicated question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I want to pick up on what Chris Provan said about the potential for protesting outside general practices. We all do abortion in some way, whether through referral, or a doctor who has conscientious objections asking a colleague to take a patient. Would not a 200m zone around every general practice be quite a lot?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I want to go back to the question about silent prayer. We have already heard that the impact that that has had on people has been described to us at a previous session. If someone calls to say that there are five people standing in a circle, how can you, as the police, deal with that if you are not going to ask them what they are doing and whether they are protesting or praying?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

That neatly comes on to my question to Simon Brown and Gerry Corrigan. Is it the case that you have to put down the name of the person who has made the complaint or, for the purposes of this legislation, could it just be the department, the area or the place, as Sarah Wallage has just said?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Professor Cameron, I will also put this question to the solicitor who will give evidence in the next group of witnesses.

If the bill is passed, somebody will have to pick up the phone and call the police if something distressing happens or if there are protesters, and they will have their name recorded, whoever they might be. Might that put people off, or has it put people off, calling the police?