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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 December 2024
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

I will go slightly off topic, if I may. In Alabama, new legislation has come in on what constitutes a human, and that will make a huge difference to in vitro fertilisation—IVF—treatment over there. What has happened in Alabama marks a huge difference. Opinions change, people change and our thinking changes as time goes on. Do you think that the bill is going to give us future safeguarding in areas such as this when things have happened elsewhere?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

At the moment, there are no protests occurring outside IVF clinics, but, given what has happened in Alabama, let us suppose that that does happen. Do you think that bills such as the one that is before us would give us the flexibility to future proof against anything that happens in the future, or do you think that we might need to come back and consider the matter again if something happens?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

The other question, which has come up in other places, revolves around silent prayer. It is sometimes impossible to know whether people are protesting—sometimes it is possible—if they are standing in a circle and are silent and do not have signs or anything. There is one thing that I would like you to touch on if you can in relation to silent prayer. If you are a nun or a priest, you are more than entitled to wear what you want. That is different to me putting something on and standing somewhere, which would be overt. The question revolves around silent prayer for ordinary members of the public, but also for the clergy, nuns and people such as that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Yes. Could you expand on the point about what difference it makes if safe access zones are included in protest legislation rather than in other legislation? I am sorry, I have perhaps not quite understood the relevance of that.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you, convener—it is just to declare an interest as a practising national health service general practitioner.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Will you write to us to let us know whether private dwellings are mentioned in other legislation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Thanks for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. The first revolves around what has been said about a slippery slope argument in other jurisdictions in which measures have been brought in. We are all aware that the reason is very specific and that the scope of the bill is very tight. However, the bill also says something about private dwellings. The slippery slope argument is, “Well, we’ll bring this in here, but maybe we’ll then be able to say that we will do something else a little later, then we will do that something else,” and we start to erode what happens in a private dwelling.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

I will pick up on that point. Is the bill the only legislation that specifically mentions private dwellings? Do all the pieces of legislation mention them?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

The NHS staff get paid more.