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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 December 2024
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Would anyone else like to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

In the previous evidence session, we heard from Robbie Pearson about collaborative leadership, which paragraph 80 of the memorandum on amendments discusses. At the committee’s meeting last week, we heard that the bill is unique in uniting most of civic Scotland against it, and we have also heard that COSLA is looking to withdraw its support from the bill. The idea of collaborative leadership seems to have completely gone.

Given that that has happened, do you feel that the bill is dead in the water? I use those words on purpose, because we should not be scared of governmental special advisers—spads—not liking language that is used in committee. Is the bill dead in the water if there is a lack of collaborative leadership from most of civic Scotland?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities has decided that it is no longer in favour of the bill. Given the lack of support from one of the most important partners, it seems to me that the bill is dead in the water. COSLA has not come before the committee yet, but, if we are to believe that it has withdrawn its support for the bill and does not agree to it, do you, as chief executives and chief officers, believe that the bill can deliver what is intended, or do you agree that it is dead in the water?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

From your reading of the bill as it stands, Edith, are you confident that it will improve the working lives of the people who work on the front line of care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Forgive me, but I asked about your reading of the bill. As it is written right now, is that what you think will happen?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

I am sorry, but that did not answer my question in any way.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Would anyone else like to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Could we provide the right to independent living right now, without the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

Does anyone else have an opinion?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Dr. Sandesh Gulhane

No? Okay.

Given that the bill is a framework bill and that we do not have details of how it will actually come into effect, does it represent the best way of delivering for carers and for people who receive care? Do you think that there might be another, simpler, way of doing that, which gives people clarity? I am directly asking for a lawyer’s opinion on that, if that is okay.