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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 March 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Will the bill include anything on virtual schools?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The Promise is, of course, a cross-Government commitment, and we have heard this morning about the discussions on the proposed bill at Cabinet. What discussion has the minister had with the education secretary on the issue of exclusions and care-experienced young people in education? When did she last discuss it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay—thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But a bill has been coming for an awful long time—it predates your own ministerial role, and several people before you—and yet educational outcomes for care-experienced young people are still not the same as the outcomes for young people who have not lived with care experience. Their destinations are not the same, and they are still struggling to get housing support, throughcare and aftercare support, and, indeed, lifelong support.

We are still here today with no date for the bill to be published, and with legitimate and serious concerns that the committee could now face a very short scrutiny timetable, which is not really how we should be dealing with such important legislation. What is your response to all that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To be honest, I do not doubt your commitment in respect of those examples, and it is helpful to recognise them. Nonetheless, the reality is that we still do not have the structural and systemic change that is necessary to effect the amount of change that is needed for those children and young people. I do not think that anyone could use the word “rushed” when it comes to getting this legislation through—it is taking some time.

I will finish on this. The minister mentioned Sheriff Mackie’s review and other reviews, all of which have taken time. However, the Government must have known that all those things would take time before it marched young people up the hill to tell them that there was going to be a bill, and yet years have passed with no significant change in legislation for them. In fact, Opposition members have been told, about various things, “That will come in the Promise bill”, even when we have tried to amend other bills to ensure that rights for care-experienced people are protected. I just do not think that that is satisfactory, minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have questions about the specifics of what will be in the bill. Do you intend that the bill will address the need of care-experienced people for lifelong support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I hope that the bill has progressed slightly further than the point of suggesting new areas to be included. We used to have 21 virtual schools in Scotland; I think that we have 18 now, so there has been a reduction, but they have been shown to be quite successful in relation to outcomes for care-experienced people. Does the minister feel that it would be appropriate to include something on that in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We have heard about the extent to which staff are going out of their way to do everything that they can, and I, too, thank them for everything that they are doing.

Unison has said that staff are working evenings, taking work home and burning out, which is not an environment that is conducive to a trauma-informed approach. What does the minister think about that? What engagement has she had with the trade unions, and will she commit to engaging with them on the workforce plan on the Promise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay. That would be helpful, given that the outcomes for looked-after children and young people in education, which were published last year without much attention being drawn to them—