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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning—I think it is still morning. I feel like I have been here so long that I am wondering whether it is still Wednesday.

I appreciate the witnesses’ answers so far. I will ask a general question before I move to general questions on aftercare and, potentially, advocacy—the convener can keep me write this to which area I should focus on.

A number of submissions pick out the issue with the UNCRC. We have just been really clear on the record about what that issue is. However, further to that, the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland submission says that the bill has the potential to have a negative impact. Kate Thompson, will you set out a little bit more for us about what that negative impact could be and whether there are ways to mitigate it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Convener, in the interests of flow and time, is it your expectation that I will move on to questions of advocacy or aftercare?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Correct me if I am putting different words in your mouth, but I think that you said just a moment ago that some of the costings were unrealistic. What would be more realistic?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Someone else will probably ask questions on definitions, but is there a need to amend the legislation in that respect, and/or do we need more guidance and communication regarding who is covered?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do any of you have a view on whether further detail on advocacy should be in regulations or in the bill, or should some be left to regulations, with more in the bill? What should the balance be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sorry, minister, but the timescales that have been assessed as being appropriate have been in place since the Parliament was set up. As you have rightly pointed out, other Parliaments use the same process. Why has the Government not figured out the costs within six months, in negotiations with the member?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have to say, minister, that I am quite uncomfortable with the line of questioning that we have just pursued on the difficulties with meeting the requirements of pupils with ASN—and affordability with regard to pupils with ASN—and with coming to an agreement in the timescales. The fact is that Parliament agreed this legislation at stage 1 and agreed that all of these issues should be discussed, and I myself made it clear in committee, both to yourself, minister, and to the member in charge, that the issues for pupils with ASN would have to be considered very carefully.

For me, an important aspect of the bill is that pupils with ASN are able to access this sort of education, including the sorts of experiences that have just been discussed. However, that was a discussion for stage 1. If the Government was so worried about that, the Government should not have voted for the bill. Did the Government abstain because it was not prepared to take the backlash for voting against a bill that not just the public but the Parliament quite clearly wanted?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Finally, then, on pupils with ASN, what advice have you, as the minister in charge of the bill, given to Cabinet?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay. Thank you.