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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I mean suggestions on measuring progress, achievement and attainment and how to do so. I am not sure that the Government has made enough progress in those areas.

My point was specifically about the gaps between pupils leaving school after doing Scottish credit and qualifications framework levels 4, 5 and 6, which are growing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

One point that has been made is the need for PEF to be used for income maximisation. Some examples of how schools are using it across the country are really innovative, and I thank the schools for what they are doing, because it involves really good work.

The cabinet secretary mentioned staff. Does she accept that PEF is being used for staff because core budgets for local authorities—and, therefore, education—are not necessarily adequate for supporting the permanent recruitment of teachers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

When will the next phase be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am asking about leavers’ qualifications, as opposed to initial destinations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

This exchange is extraordinary. It is really odd that we are being asked to vote on the order when we do not yet know the shape of the board that the Government will be asked to recruit to, because stage 2 could bring many amendments that would add other people.

I have many questions. My first is on the recruitment. Should the motion on the order be agreed to today, does the cabinet secretary consider that she will, for example, appoint to the board a member of a trade union?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

However, when it comes to the process that you are asking us to agree to today, you do not know who you will recruit, to what particular board function you will recruit them, or how many people you will recruit. Or, do you know any of those things?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am sorry—I mean the board of qualifications Scotland. You are right. I misspoke. You do not yet know how many board members you will need to recruit through the process, because that could change at stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As the discussion has continued, I have realised that, as well as the composition of the board, some of the amendments that might come at stage 2 could be about splitting the functions of the organisation for which you are seeking to create a board. If the functions were split—for example, if the accreditation function was taken out of qualifications Scotland—would you be recruiting to an organisation that is very different to the one that the order allows? Would you be recruiting for a position that exists? Would you be recruiting for a job that does not exist? It does not make much sense to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am comparing the most recent data with last year’s data.

I take issue with the point on information over time. The Covid pandemic undoubtedly had an impact, and I have a question specifically on it in a moment. However, in the period before the Covid pandemic, some attainment gap measures were increasing. Do you accept that?