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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But it is still the case that there is a reduction.

I am conscious of time, so, if it is all right, I will move on to talk about ASN. The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government made a statement about the £29 million additionality to ASN. However, my understanding is that that is to cover grant-aided special schools, the implementation of additional support for learning, Enquire, CALL Scotland, the “Let’s talk ASN” service, the Scottish Sensory Centre, Dyslexia Scotland and so on, so it will be spread quite thinly. However, young people with additional support needs are still in intolerable circumstances. How many more young people will access specialist support as a result of that additional spend, given how thinly it will be spread?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener. I have just listed the other aspects that are expected to be funded through that. Should we expect a reduction in support for those aspects, or will additional funding be provided?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On clawback in relation to universities, we know that a number of the modern institutions have had quite a bit of funding clawed back because they did not fill their places, as a result of a reduction coming through from colleges, largely because of the underfunding. Given that it is largely because of that, is the minister prepared to look at the use of clawback by the SFC for universities, too?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Building on the point that you have just made, cabinet secretary, the attainment gap has widened by every measure among primary 1 pupils. At every level, the gap is widest in writing, and at higher level it is the highest that it has ever been. However, this year’s budget for raising attainment is 2 per cent less than the amount in the 2024-25 budget. Are you happy to continue to allow us to drop in international league tables and for the poorest pupils to be failed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The concern is that, although we might not see the impact quite yet, if the trajectory continues with regard to what teachers are experiencing in the teaching environment just now, to which you alluded, they could begin to worry about the additional commitment that is required.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Thank you for the evidence that you have submitted and for your engagement with committee members throughout the process.

Like other members of the committee, I am really positive about certain aspects of the bill and, in particular, what it could do to improve the life chances of young people. I think that Liz Smith has put forward a compelling case.

However, as Liz Smith will be aware, there are a couple of issues that we need to explore a bit further, including the one that has just been touched on—that of the needs of pupils with additional support needs. What is your assessment of what happens at the moment in that regard and how that relates to your bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In your discussions with the Government, what has been its response to the issues around pupils with additional support needs accessing residential outdoor activity?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Some of the teachers who have given evidence to the committee on the bill have said that, in order to do this properly for pupils with additional support needs, more staffing resource would be required. Do you agree? How do you think that that could be resolved?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I hark back to my time in the disability movement. Many disabled people have said over the years that sometimes it does mean more resource, but achieving that parity is quite important.

Can you set out for the committee how you considered those additional resources in your financial memorandum?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that, if the provision of residential outdoor education were a statutory responsibility, the progress in that area would continue, or do you think that additional work would have to be done on that?