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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. That was really helpful and is much appreciated.

The Law Society notes in its submission that

“no consideration has been given to ... those who have been adopted ... Children subject to voluntary measures of supervision and support (under ... the Children (Scotland) Act 1995)”

and

“Children from outside the Scottish jurisdiction, who have been placed”

in care elsewhere

“whilst under an English Care Order”.

Can you say a bit more about that? Is it your view that the bill should contain specific aftercare provision for those particular people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener. I have just two small questions.

In some of the evidence that has been submitted to us, it has been suggested that those involved in delivering services should not be involved in advocacy. What is your view of that? I suppose that it speaks to the question of independence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That was helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister and officials. I have to say that I am disappointed, although I do not think that that will come as a surprise to anyone, including the minister. The minister said last night that the process exists elsewhere. However, if I may say so, there is a mischaracterisation of the process. The process is there, in my understanding, not for the Government to block the will of Parliament, which has already decided that the bill should progress to stage 2. Rather, it is there for the Government to set out its understanding of what the cost of the legislation would be, so that Parliament can make decisions on amendments to manage the cost in one way or another and, ultimately, make a decision at stage 3. Not providing that information right now is a dereliction of responsibility and a complete disregard of the will of Parliament.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one final question and a comment. If I am honest, it is not necessarily the case that the Parliament has not already been asked, in this parliamentary session, to support a bill with unknown costs.

A commitment was made to the committee that consideration would be given to any costs associated with ensuring that pupils with ASN could enjoy the rights that the Parliament has intended them to enjoy as a result of the bill. Since then, what analysis has the Government done on that issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the timeframe, will you complete that work within the next fortnight?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is pretty clear that people are not content with the Government’s position on this matter just now.

A number of the issues that we have raised are exactly the sorts of issues that members would like to pursue in amendments at stage 2, and then ultimately ask whether they have been addressed when we look at the bill again at stage 3. However, given the Government’s position in abstaining at stage 1 and failing so far, with just two weeks—days—left, to produce a financial memorandum to resolve these issues, it is likely that if one is produced, it is going to be without some information that the Government should have collected and, if it is not produced, the parliamentary process will have been frustrated.

Moreover, with some of the stuff that we have just discussed about pupils with ASN, those inequalities are happening right now in the current status quo. That suggests to me that the Government should get its skates on, get the financial resolution published and allow Parliament to resolve some of these matters through stages 2 and 3, so that pupils with ASN can fully access their rights to outdoor education.

09:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for the evidence that they submitted in advance of the meeting and the questions that they have answered so far. I will ask about the parts of the bill that are specifically on aftercare, but, before I do so, I will pick up on a couple of issues that have been touched on.

Fraser McKinlay, you highlighted one of the issues that I heard about when I spoke to young people with care experience and others who support them in the sector, which is about access to housing and access to education. The education outcomes have just been published, and they are not where they need to be. What are the main issues that care-experienced young people face today, and will the bill address any of them?

10:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that there are potentially opportunities to amend the current bill to do some of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that. I had not considered that in any great detail, so it is helpful for the committee’s consideration.

Do the panel members have any views on capacity? We have heard about the need not to pile additional bureaucracy on an already stretched workforce. I suppose that the same is true of the hearings system. What changes might be needed in capacity in the system to enable this to be done properly?