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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is a great story and it is reflective of my experience as well. It is incredibly important—absolutely. Local places do not always give that support to children and young people, so it is crucial. What is the ceiling and what would you need to break it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for joining us today.

I will pick up on the point that Tara Lillis made about inequity in the system. Do the witnesses think that there is inequity in the current system?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I have one other question, if there is time, convener. What is happening now to support pupils with additional support needs? Will the bill help that or make it more difficult? Is there anything about the bill that should change to support those pupils?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one more question for you—I am sorry, but the story was so compelling. Who pays for the person to support Nevis, for example?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Matthew Sweeney, what are COSLA’s members’ views of the inequities and their impact?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am not sure whether Andrew Bradshaw wanted to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How are those barriers affecting your members currently?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to follow up on Professor Mannion’s point. My colleague George Adam said that we are sharing some personal experience; we are, and that is important.

In your submission, you lift the issue to the systemic. You say that

“systemic support for the schools, staff, communities and partner organisations that provide for outdoor learning”

would be needed. In the context of this part of the discussion, could you tell us a bit more about what that support might look like?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, and thank you for the information that you sent the committee ahead of today’s meeting. In the spirit of sharing, I will say that I also remember my school residential trip. As a disabled person, my experience was quite different. My school had to create a very different trip. You got to choose whether you would go to an outdoor centre and which of the activities you got involved in, none of which were really suitable for me as a wheelchair user. Therefore, the school created a separate option, and all the pupils from the mainstream school were also able to choose that option, which focused on drama and included an element of outdoor learning.

How well does residential learning, including outdoor learning, meet the needs of all pupils, including those with additional support needs? You have all said that the benefits are most keenly felt by more deprived socioeconomic groups, which is really useful information. How well could residential outdoor education meet the needs of all pupils?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does anything in the bill need to be changed to address the concerns that we have heard about in evidence? The Child Poverty Action Group and the NASUWT have raised concerns about the starting points of pupils and of schools. Having the residential centres is crucial. I have been to some of them and they are really good. However, do we need to change anything in the bill to support young people with additional support needs to get over the line to go in the first place or to help schools to have the confidence to support them to do it?