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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, and thank you for the information that we have had so far.

One thing that strikes me is that, out there in the real world, we still have significantly poorer outcomes for care-experienced young people, especially in areas such as education, with less than half of them leaving school with a national 5 qualification. We really need to move on that—not because we have all said that we will do it, but because outcomes are progressing in the wrong direction.

When the committee spoke to young people, one young person asked what the point is of calling it “the Promise”, because they felt that it is not being delivered. We also heard that there is too much in the Promise, so young people cannot see change in any of the particular areas. On the workforce, one person said:

“I’ve had 12 social workers over 4 years; 14 years and at least 15 social workers.”

That sort of situation makes it very difficult to deliver on many aspects of the Promise—especially relationship building.

I want to ask about the evidence from CELCIS that social work staff are only really getting to work on the top of their priority list and are not getting any further than that. Can you tell me a bit about what that looks like in reality?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The point about fragmentation is really important.

My question was going to be on what would move us towards a more positive working environment for all the staff who are delivering the Promise. We have already heard some suggestions, most recently from Ben Farrugia, who talked about digital solutions and workload reduction mechanisms, and from Stephen Smellie, who mentioned more staff and other approaches. Is there anything that you have not covered that you think would improve the working environment for staff who are working to deliver the Promise across Scotland?

12:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority: “Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, and thank you for the responses that we have had so far. As all of you will be aware, I am concerned about the issue, not least because of the impact that it has had on some students, but also because of the long-term implications that it might have for trust in the system.

We have heard from some teachers and pupils about the results of the report that has come out. I will quote some: they have said that it was a “gut punch”; it was “insulting”; they felt that people had “suffered injustice”; and it means that there is a “lack of trust”. One teacher said:

“I can’t help but feel completely let down by the results of this report, which although disappointing is not surprising ... Having taught higher for 8 years, I was, until this year, confident in my ability to teach to the standard required ... This year has not been the same, as consistent mixed messages from colleagues who are markers, the SQA and Understanding Standards materials, has meant that I am no longer feeling this way and unable to instil confidence in my students”.

Those comments are why we are here, and they are why it is really important that we put on the record what has happened.

Cabinet secretary, did you instruct the review, and did you ask that it be independent?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority: “Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Why not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority: “Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It was always my view that the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills should intervene when there is a 26 per cent drop in attainment in one subject, yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority: “Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

With respect, cabinet secretary, I think that you are really missing the point—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What do we need to change to improve the conditions for staff in that respect, so that they can deliver the change that is needed?

09:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority: “Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My earlier point was not that we should now have an independent review, although that is a legitimate view. It was more about whether, when you saw all of this happening before the SQA did the review, you asked it to do an independent review.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to build on the point about statutory codes of practice and move slightly to the point that Laura Caven made about other services. We have heard about the role of schools. COSLA’s additional support for learning project board, which I think, Laura, you are a co-chair of, has highlighted the importance of refreshing the code of practice on learning for pupils with additional support needs, but action on that appears to be way down the line.

One area in the plan that has been identified as having zero actions completed is resources. Laura, could you talk a bit about whether you feel that there is enough pace of work in the additional support for learning project board to help to make the connections across the different agencies that you highlighted, and whether you think that the code of practice will be updated any time soon?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If not strategies or legislation, what will change the dynamic?