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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, minister. We heard consistently from witnesses that it is not easy to follow the money all the way through, so that people can understand what is happening, whether a budget line is going up or down and how that impacts on equality and human rights. In some cases, witnesses, including Audit Scotland, said that there is a gap between the aspiration and the reality of what is being delivered. What conversations have you had with other Government departments and ministers with different portfolios about the impact of their budget lines on equality and human rights?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you confident that ministers with other portfolios have the information, data and engagement that they need to be able to recognise how their budget can have an impact on equalities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you confident that local authorities have done that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The social care and education budgets are really squeezed. We hear of disabled people struggling. We heard from People First that the people it works with are having to choose whether to pay a bill, get the shopping or have a bath or a shower. Such choices do not result in equality and human rights being realised.

Yesterday, I met organisations that work in autism and heard about some of the experiences that they are having in the education sector. It is really difficult to find support for people when they transition out of school, because the services do not exist or the money is not available for them.

What conversations have you had with the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and COSLA about the implications of some of those settlements for local authorities and the impact on equality and human rights? Ultimately, the issue is about specifics in those areas, as opposed to the broader £48 million that is going into the structural inequality funding.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful. When will the Scottish Government start to engage with organisations on that report? Are you already doing that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for both of those updates, which are very helpful.

You will be aware that the UK Government was due to publish its report on the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination in 2020, as part of the universal periodic review, but that that was delayed. I think that the most recent update from the UK Government on that report was in 2022.

How involved have you been with that report? Has the Scottish Government engaged in that process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. In its submission, the Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland states that it welcomes claimants being able to make challenges through the tribunal system, but it suggests that the social security chamber of the First-tier Tribunal would be a more appropriate place to deal with council tax reduction issues. Has the Government considered that? Why did it not make amendments to the regulations in that regard?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I have one further question, if that is okay. You mentioned the cost of living and the extra costs that are associated with being a disabled person. Has the Government considered whether it could update the research on the extra costs of being a disabled person? The most recent research was done by Scope in 2018. It might be the time to look at what those extra costs are in Scotland.