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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. I will ask a question about aftercare—specifically housing—before I move on to another area. The young people who we spoke to about this legislation felt that some specifics were missing, such as action in certain areas. In some ways, this has been described as a framework bill. However, the young people also said to us, “What about education?”, “What about housing?”, “What about employment?”, and so on.

My colleague Willie Rennie started to ask about the question of housing. I note your response about North Yorkshire not being a country. However, our problem is that, if we do not do something that is quite specific and empowers local authorities to take action, including with resources backed up to do it, we are really just washing our hands of any responsibility. The response that you gave does not give us much reassurance that the Government is prepared to take the action that is necessary to support local government to do the right thing on the Promise bill. Is that accurate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry, minister, they do not, because the bit that the bill refers to is outwith the scope of the UNCRC.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good afternoon, minister—we are just into the afternoon.

I want to ask about children’s hearings and, specifically, single-member panels. Witnesses, including those from the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration, the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland, Clan Childlaw and the Law Society of Scotland, said that more clarity is required on the proposals for single-member panels—for example, what is meant by “procedural”?—to ensure that children’s rights are upheld. Some young people who attended the committee’s evidence session with Who Cares? Scotland said the same and were not supportive of single-member panels. Our Hearings, Our Voice found that most young people it spoke to did not support the proposals, either. What is the minister’s response to that? Does the Government have any plans to address those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Could you not just write the gaps in? If the 1995 act has gaps—presumably it does—could you not just write them into this bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Perhaps we can do some of that just now, because it would be helpful to get your views on the record. Do you think that a single-member panel should be able to establish grounds?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me; I did not pick that up.

My next question is about the obligation on a child to attend a hearing. Generally, witnesses have supported the removal of the obligation, but a number of them felt that it could be replaced by a presumption of attendance, as was recommended by the hearings system working group. Why did the Government choose not to include a presumption of attendance in the bill? Do you feel that there is adequate provision to ensure that children’s voices are heard?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As would I. Prevention is always more appropriate than cure—I think that that is the phrase. However, having the power to do something and having the resources and capacity to deliver on that power are two different things. Is the minister confident that local authorities will have the resources and capacity to deliver the power that she is hoping to give them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me, Mr McCaffrey, but is that not why we have passed new legislation since 1995, which was a long time ago? If that bill had been tight enough on children’s rights, we would not necessarily have needed parts of the UNCRC, but we did, and we have this new bill, which is surely an opportunity. You have said that we are not starting from scratch, but this is a new bill, so you could include the UNCRC and those particular areas in it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me, minister, but I am slightly confused. What appears to have been said is that we cannot introduce any legislation that includes provisions on further rights that are set out by the UNCRC, because we cannot tinker with any previous legislation. Have I misunderstood? Is that your understanding?