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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

That has not been explicitly discussed thus far, but that is a helpful suggestion. I can envisage that potentially being a measure. There would be efforts to engage with stakeholders and perhaps directly with ministers, non-governmental organisations and various other organisations, to pool understanding and share common practice.

Quite a wide range of organisations, which I have listed, support the CPG. They are the Maryhill Integration Network, the voices network, Safe in Scotland, the British Red Cross, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, Scottish Detainee Visitors—particularly in relation to Dungavel—JustRight Scotland, Positive Action in Housing, Migration Policy Scotland, Refugees for Justice and the Govan Community Project. There is quite a rich ecosystem out there, but people often operate in silos and are disjointed. Part of the function of the CPG will be to act as a sounding board so that people can share experiences, rally round common themes such as housing, transport, income, deprivation and poverty, and, I hope, pull together actions that they can share objectives on, pushing them to the Government and asking whether they can get improvements or measures to address them.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

That is an important point. We deliberately used a broad definition because a lot of the issues have important interfaces. For example, there is the matter of access to student opportunities, and there is a wider issue about European Union migration and the future status of EU citizens in Scotland and the UK. Scotland faces broader demographic challenges, caused by an ageing population and a narrowing tax base. It is important for a sustainable economy to have a larger working-age population; therefore, we need a greater influx of working-age people. That will all be part of the discussion.

We are trying to frame the issue of migration in a less confrontational, more sensible and rational way. That is the broader idea. Having Maryhill Integration Network, which is highly engaged with asylum seekers, as the secretariat colours the initial objectives of the CPG, but it can evolve. That is why we have left the definition loose.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

The income allowances that are provided to people in the asylum process are very meagre. People who are in bed and breakfast accommodation basically get only £1 a day, and people who are in flats get slightly more than that—about £7 a day. That is well below the baseline social security to which a citizen would be entitled, so there are acute poverty and deprivation issues.

In relation to B and B accommodation, there is a housing contract between the Home Office and a private sector operator—Mears Group—which is obliged to provide accommodation for those in the asylum system. However, given the pressures on the system, it is not able to acquire enough housing units from registered social landlords and private providers to put everyone in flats, so people are being put in hotels to backfill the demand.

The problem is that that leads to significant welfare problems. I mentioned the Park Inn disaster, which emanated from people who were suffering from acute mental health problems and trauma being corralled into a hotel. The catering, for example, was not culturally appropriate, so food was being served that people could not digest. People from sub-Saharan Africa cannot really eat a cooked breakfast.

There will be an opportunity to provide the housing provider with feedback from stakeholders on the ground, who could say, “This is a really big problem. We need to get a grip on this.” That could improve the situation at the margins. It is those little things that could solve a lot of the bigger problems that could cause a risk to life, given the high pressure that people who have fled from severe, disastrous situations can often experience.

For all those reasons, it is important that the CPG would offer a sounding board in the Parliament. The group would have more rapid access to ministers, as well as members being able to raise issues in the chamber. The group would be worth while in that sense.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

I support what Jackie Baillie said about the submission from Roseanna Clarkin. It was quite shocking to learn that the vendor, Covidien UK, was supplying Parietex mesh, which has been subject to Food and Drug Administration restrictions in the United States because it has been directly linked to postoperative complications and adverse effects in patients. Perversely, we are in a position in Scotland where we have fewer medical clinical protections for patients than in the United States. I am sure that if you asked the average person in the street which jurisdiction they think offers more protections to patients, they would say Scotland, when as a result of the Government’s decision, that is not the case.

It is critical that we pursue the issue. The submission from the Shouldice hospital offers an insight into an alternative model that is quite compelling. In light of that remarkable evidence, it would be worth asking the health secretary to engage with it directly and perhaps look at the opportunity to set up a pilot project in Scotland with a particular hospital or surgical centre, to see whether we can adopt those methods. We could use the pilot as a control against standard procedures and see whether it produces demonstrable effects that could improve patient care.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

I would be interested to hear from airspace operators—the main scheduled carrier, which is Loganair, and others who use the airspace, such as the training school at Dundee airport—to understand what their concerns might be. I do not think that we have heard anything from them.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

The petition is incredibly important. During COP26, the RSPB did a fantastic showcase on Scotland’s rainforests, which was an eye-opening educational experience. Not many people realise that rainforests exist in Scotland in the temperate climate. There is probably a need to mobilise a broader debate on the issue. We ought to consider taking evidence from a wider group of stakeholders to broaden the base of the evidence that we obtain. I am thinking of Forestry and Land Scotland and the RSPB as two suggestions.

It is an urgent concern, particularly with the invasive growth in ancient woodland and the displacement that is caused by conifer plantations, which I think were originally planted for the first world war. That was the origin of the Forestry Commission; it was about the need to rapidly grow timber for the war, but it has had severe long-term effects over the past century.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

I was quite alarmed by the Scottish Government’s submission, in the sense that it suggests that authorities should not use good practice guidance and planning as leverage. That is a perfectly legitimate thing to do and should be actively encouraged. There are very few forms of leverage available to democratic politics over capital of this nature and scale. If you can drive a harder bargain on behalf of communities to capture more ownership of these projects, that would be a worthwhile thing to interrogate. I am simply asking—without any real thorough justification—why is it not seen as good practice?

Further to the minister coming to the committee, it would be good to probe that particular matter in the context of national planning framework 4 and how that could be changed. It is a timely issue to explore, particularly with the recent commentary around the ScotWind leasing round and how people felt that that might not have been the best possible deal.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

Is it worth making the lead committee aware of the petition, in the sense that it might be worth an inquiry into the basis on which public appointments are made to the boards of CalMac and CMAL? I am approaching it less from a rural perspective and more from a shipbuilding perspective, but my understanding is that the boards are problematic, to say the least, in how they govern those agencies. There is very little public oversight of the characters who have been appointed to the boards. There is a potential for conflicts of interest and there is ignorance of many other aspects of how the organisations should be operating.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

Further to that, given that the new national planning framework is currently being developed, it might be an opportune moment to try to be clear about feeding those issues into the process. I cannot remember off the top of my head which minister is leading that effort, but it would perhaps be worthwhile engaging with them in light of the evidence being raised.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Paul Sweeney

I was similarly taken aback by the issues raised. It is an issue I had not considered properly before. The petition is very appropriate. I am particularly interested in the Scottish Law Commission’s idea that it could look at developing a project around this if the suggestion was submitted to it. It might be worth the petitioners exploring that idea in addition to petitioning the committee.

It is the sort of thing that might be appropriate as a members’ bill. Maybe there is a mechanism for our committee to flag up the petition to colleagues in Parliament who might be considering a members’ bill but do not necessarily have a project in mind. It might be a candidate worth taking up. Perhaps we should be making fuller use of the members’ bill process, and the petition could be a candidate.