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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

What was said in the previous evidence session about communication, connections, discussions and meetings being in the diary indicates that there is still a relationship, which is very important.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Is there anything that we need to be aware of that could jeopardise the UK spending review next spring, or is that review a certainty?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Emma Roddick has a brief supplementary question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Do you want to carry on, Emma? I think that you have a couple more questions on public service reform.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is great news. When you say that you feel that there needs to be more engagement, would you like to have more dates in the diary? What would more engagement look like. for you?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is a very good point about needing time. Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Is that something that is being discussed in your meetings at the moment?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thank you very much.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses as part of our pre-budget scrutiny for 2025-26. We are joined on our first panel by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resources spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Jonathan Belford, who is the vice-chair of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy’s directors of finance section, and chief financial officer at Aberdeen City Council; Paul Manning, who is a member of the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers, and chief executive of South Lanarkshire Council; and Jamie Robertson, who is the chair of CIPFA directors of finance section, and chief financial officer at Dunbartonshire Council. I welcome the witnesses to the meeting.

We will try to direct our questions to specific witnesses where possible, but please indicate to the clerks if you would like to come in. There is no need for you to turn on your microphones—we will do that for you. We have about 75 minutes for this discussion. We turn to questions.

We were pleased to receive COSLA’s submission, which states that

“local government has sought earlier budget engagement”

and

“greater transparency in the makeup of the local government settlement”

ahead of the budget. We would be interested to hear whether COSLA is happy with the engagement so far this year and how engagement could be improved, if it needs to be.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ariane Burgess

Pam, before you go on to your next question, I want to ask a brief question about ring fencing and teacher numbers. How do you approach the situation in more rural and island areas where, in a community that is struggling to keep its population, the closure of the primary school can become its death knell? It is almost as if we have two issues moving in different directions. On one hand, the school’s numbers are dropping, so the council wants to close or potentially mothball it, while, on the other, the community is waking up to the need to keep the school open. How do you discuss that sort of thing? If we moved away from setting teacher numbers, might that be a problem in some situations?