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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring John Blackwood in on the ratings and assessment methodology—if he wants to come in on that—I am interested in your point that the current recommendations are about air-source heat pumps. With an air-source heat pump system, you could have a hot water tank storage system so that you could then use the hot water in your heating system. Another thing that we have been hearing about is the potential for solar thermal, so that you could bring up your heating to a certain level. We could also help people with damp and mould, so that they would have warmth in the house. That is getting away from EPCs, but it is all connected. As you both said, people want to know what is happening in their experience of living in their home.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thank you for letting me go down that path a little bit.

John, do you have any comments on the EPC ratings and the assessment methodology?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Mark Griffin, Willie Coffey and Fulton MacGregor.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Under our next agenda item, we will take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the reform of energy performance certificates. We are joined in the room by Professor David Jenkins, professor of energy and buildings at Heriot-Watt University, and Alan Stark, chair of the Scottish Property Federation’s sustainability and building design committee. We are joined online by Gillian Campbell, director of the Existing Homes Alliance Scotland, and Andy Parkin, technical development director at Elmhurst Energy. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

We have about 90 minutes for discussion. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. Members will direct their questions to someone in the first instance, but, if you would like to come in, please indicate that to me or the clerks. If you are online, please do so by typing R in the chat function. However, do not feel that you necessarily need to answer every question.

I will start with a scene-setting question for everyone, but I will direct it to David Jenkins first. What is your general sense of the need for reform of the EPC system? We have been talking about reform for quite a long time—since the Committee on Climate Change gave that direction in 2017. What are your overall views on the Scottish Government’s broad approach?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does that bigger picture connect with the heat in buildings work that is coming? Is that part of it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Andy, do you have any views on reform of the EPC system and the Government’s approach?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. It is good to get a sense of the time that will be needed for people to be able to work with the system after has come through in regulations.

David Jenkins, do you have any thoughts on those ratings and the assessment methodologies?

09:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. Andy Parkin indicated that he wants to come in. [Interruption.]

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. I want to bring in Alan Stark.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will go back to Evelyn Tweed. Andy Parkin wanted to come in on that point, so maybe you can direct your next question to him, Evelyn, and he can wrap in whatever he wanted to say.