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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Well, aside from the fact that you are convener of the cross-party group on housing. You are definitely interested in this topic.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take items 5, 6 and 7 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I must stop you there, because we have specific questions about Awaab’s law. We will come on to that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great. Thank you, Sean, for highlighting your perspective that landlords do not understand the issues of damp and mould in their properties.

Does anybody else want to comment on damp and mould? I note that Shona Gorman has not come in yet. I should say that we have previously heard about landlords blaming their tenants for problems with damp, even though it is reinforced in Scottish Government guidance that that should not be happening. I would be interested in hearing from Shona Gorman or Emma Saunders whether landlords’ attitudes to tenants reporting damp and mould problems have changed. Is there still the sort of blame culture that Sean Clerkin has highlighted?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does anybody have any comments on that question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Fulton MacGregor, who joins us online. Fulton has questions on the cost of living and fuel poverty in relation to damp and mould, and then he will move on to RAAC—I will cue up Yvette Hoskins for that. I just want to let you know that we will shift themes, but it will all happen on Fulton’s watch. So, Fulton, come on in.

10:30  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

All right. That brings us to the end of the session. It is 11 o’clock, and that is where I predicted we would get to with the time.

Thank you very much for joining us and responding to our questions, and for representing people and being their voice. We have heard some very difficult, challenging stories today from some of you, so thank you for bringing those perspectives. We appreciate it. The issue is one that the committee is very keen to do more work on. I will be interested to see the amendments relating to damp and mould that the Government is lodging.

I suspend the meeting for about five minutes so that the witnesses can change over and we can also have a little bit of a breather.

11:01 Meeting suspended.  

11:08 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thank you very much. Solar thermal is an example of best practice and could be a good direction of travel. I see that Peter Drummond wants to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thank you very much for that. Before I bring in Graham Simpson with his question, I will come back to Gloria Lo. In speaking about the causes of damp, you specifically mentioned cavity walls in buildings, but what about the causes of damp in solid wall buildings, such as tenements?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session as part of our work on building safety and maintenance. We will be hearing this morning from two panels of witnesses.

For the first panel, we are joined in the room by Sean Clerkin, who is campaign co-ordinator at the Scottish Tenants Organisation; Yvette Hoskins, who is vice-chair of the Dundee RAAC campaign group; and Emma Saunders, who is the national organiser at Living Rent. We are also joined online by Aoife Deery, who is a senior social justice policy officer at Citizens Advice Scotland, and Shona Gorman, who is vice-chair of Tenants Together Scotland.

Before I turn to questions from members, I should point out that we have read in the press this morning that the Scottish Government has announced its intention to lodge amendments on damp and mould to the Housing (Scotland) Bill. We do not know the detail of those amendments yet, but it is still important that we have our conversation today, as it will, I hope, help the Government in that respect.

We will direct our questions to specific witnesses initially, but if you would like to come in, please indicate as much to the clerks. Aoife and Shona, you should do so by typing an R in the chat function. One less thing for you to think about is operating the microphones—we will do that for you.

Finally, before I begin with some initial questions about tenants’ experience and landlord practice, I should say that the session will be split into questions on damp and mould—those issues will be the primary focus for our first few questions—and questions on reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete. You might feel initially that we are not asking any questions that are relevant to your specific area, but we will definitely have questions for you.

As the first question is really for Citizens Advice Scotland, I will direct it to Aoife Deery, but it is also for Living Rent, Tenants Together Scotland and the Scottish Tenants Organisation. I am just cueing you up, Aoife, because I am interested in hearing how, from the work that you have been doing, you think the volume of tenant complaints about damp and mould in their homes has changed over the past couple of years.