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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2026 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent. Fulton MacGregor is joining us online this morning.
The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Thanks very much for that opening statement. I will start this morning’s conversation with a number of general questions.
Annex 3 of the draft plan shows that emissions reductions of only around 0.4 megatonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent are expected from residential buildings in the first carbon budget period, with the vast majority of that backloaded into the 2030s. Given that, I would be interested to understand how publishing a new heat in buildings strategy and delivery plan at the end of 2026 can be considered to be aligned with the pace of action that is required now to stay within the first carbon budget, rather than deferring delivery and risk to later periods.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
You said, “if” it is you who is in post. That is concerning. How can we ensure that, later in 2026, the work that you are taking forward with the wonderful officials who are with you, and others in the team, is taken forward by whoever is in your seat?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
I think that that will be a theme throughout the meeting.
I would like to talk a bit about policy coherence. You talked about there being lots of different documents, although I am probably paraphrasing you. I have been looking at annex 3, in which the baseline for buildings assumes that, without further policy intervention, emissions remain largely flat—you have already kind of said that—meaning that almost all reductions will depend on co-ordinated housing and heat policies. Will you be explicit about how and when the housing emergency action plan and housing to 2040 strategy will be aligned with the carbon-budgeted emissions pathway for buildings, and what mechanisms will ensure that housing and planning decisions that are taken now do not lock in emissions beyond what the climate change plan assumes?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
It is interesting that they are distinct documents, yet how we get out of these silos has been a theme in session 6. It has been a challenge in the Parliament to recognise that climate change is upon us, and that also needs to be recognised in all those documents. I think that you are saying that we will achieve the housing to 2040 goals because you are overseeing those documents.
09:45
However, something more is needed to make a clear link between all those different pieces. How can we rush to tackle homelessness, as is very important, and address the commitment to 110,000 affordable homes, if we do not have the climate change plan thread that you are bringing in on the heat in buildings issue—if that is not, somehow, threaded through some coherent document? You are saying that it sits there because you oversee it all, and the committee is absolutely thrilled to have had a housing minister and, now, a housing cabinet secretary, but how do we make sure that all the plans that are being set up at the end of session 6—at a critical time—do not end up being looked at in a siloed way?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Just before I bring in Alexander Stewart to ask some questions about the regulatory framework, I am going to come to Meghan Gallacher, who indicated that she wanted to ask a supplementary to some of Willie Coffey’s questions.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
That brings us to our next topic. We might have touched on some of these questions already, but Alexander Stewart will ask about the regulatory framework.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
We will move on to another theme. Evelyn Tweed is going to ask some questions about monitoring.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Brilliant. My final question, which is connected to that, is about next steps for the final CCP. How will you put in place processes to ensure that the final CCP takes account of consultation and parliamentary scrutiny? We are scrutinising the draft plan, but we are coming to the end of the parliamentary session in March. Where does Parliament come in on the final plan? What feedback has already been integrated into the final plan? I imagine that you are picking things up and adding them in.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
That concludes our questions. Thank you for a good discussion this morning. We appreciate it.
That concludes the public part of the meeting.
10:51
Meeting continued in private until 11:09.