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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 March 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will move on to the theme of the private sector, which you have touched on a little already. It is important for the public sector to lead by example, but we heard evidence from Pete Ritchie of Nourish Scotland, who reminded us that public food is a maximum of 1.5 to 2 per cent of the food supply. The private sector delivers the vast majority of our food and, to quote Pete,

“is operating on rules that generate ill health and environmental degradation”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee, 26 January 2022; c 27-28.]

A first step in changing those rules could be mandatory reporting for the private sector, which would increase accountability. Can the minister give us an update on whether Westminster will proceed with the recommendations from its national food strategy report. If it will, can the data for Scotland be separated out to inform policy development here?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

As you have heard, witnesses have been clear in their evidence that we must take the private sector with us on the journey towards being a good food nation. The bill does not set out a clear mechanism for that to happen. I understand from previous evidence why that is the case. What are your thoughts about amending the bill to require the Government and relevant authorities to engage with the private sector when drafting and implementing their plans? What form would you see that engagement taking?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I am going to change the theme and talk about relevant authorities and the duties to produce plans. There are two parts to my question. Local authorities and health boards have been identified as relevant authorities that are required to produce good food nation plans but, given that most local areas are covered by a local authority and a health board, I am concerned that that will result in competing or contradictory plans for the same area. I agree with Stirling Council’s suggestion that local bodies should work together to produce a single plan, and I would like to hear your views on the idea of asking local authorities and health boards to work together to produce a single good food nation plan for each health and social care integration partnership area.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Has the Government identified possible criteria for deciding which other public bodies might be designated as specified public authorities in the future?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that response. As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I really appreciate your acknowledgement that there will be different approaches.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I do not want to open up a discussion, but I find it interesting that you have linked the NPF4 with the sustainable development goals although no one has brought that up in any of our evidence sessions. That is sitting there. There are 17 important internationally acknowledged goals, and they seem to underpin what you are trying to do with NPF4.

I will move on. The draft NPF4 makes no direct mention—except perhaps within the sustainable development goals—of the needs of women, children or disabled people, and it does not mention how the planning system can help to remove barriers to their use and enjoyment of the built environment. Fiona Simpson said that there is going to be an equalities round table. Can you tell us more about how you might remedy that oversight?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I am new in Parliament, but my sense of the process is that we are considering a draft, whereas in other cases, scrutiny takes place once the Government has done its consultation work.

I ask my next question on behalf not only of the committee, but of stakeholders who are concerned about the process. I would love to hear from you an outline of the next steps in the process after your consultation closes at the end of March. At what point will the Scottish Parliament be able to engage in scrutiny of the revisions of NPF4? Can you give the committee an assurance that there will be time for those revisions to be scrutinised? For example, when secondary legislation is introduced, Parliament is given 40 days for scrutiny.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is good to know that the work is happening. I understand that it is complex, but it seems that we really need to do it.

Graeme Dey has a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. It is good to have clarity about the process that we are all involved in.

I will move on. I have a few questions about the fact that a lot of this will be delivered at local level. Numerous stakeholders have voiced strong support for the Scottish Government’s intention, which is briefly outlined in policy 1, to move to a plan-led system. However, many go further and advocate for a public plan-led system, in which local authorities would have considerably more agency to shape their local communities and to manage land use more proactively. Do the minister and his officials believe that the draft NPF4 supports local authorities to do that? Will the minister commit to taking on board that ambitious but important objective, as voiced by stakeholders?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

My next question is connected to that point. The way in which we use land is becoming increasingly complex, with growing needs and competing pressures. It seems to me that we are at a critical point in national planning, where we need to ensure that land is used for the right purpose. Not all land is the same—we have peatland, farmland, land that is appropriate for housing and so on. However, throughout this process, I have been struck by how limited our overall understanding is of land use in Scotland.

What work will the minister undertake to improve current land use mapping on a national scale to support those who work on spatial strategies, national developments and policies in the national planning framework? Although we are inviting planning authorities to take forward some of the work, we are also talking about things such as nature networks, where collaboration needs to happen.