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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. It is good to have all of you here this morning for this conversation.

We will now turn to questions from members. Please indicate whether you would like to respond to any question that is asked, although I should say that we do tend to direct questions to someone initially. If you want to come in on the back of a question, please indicate as much.

As far as is possible in this setting, we are trying to have a free-flowing conversation rather than a question-and-answer session. Charlotte Lee and Duncan Sharp, as you are appearing virtually, you can indicate that you want to come in by typing R in the chat function. As, I think, witnesses already know, there is no need to turn your microphones on and off—that will be done for you.

I will begin the questions, and my first one is directed to Alan Stark. I am interested in hearing whether you agree with the principle of the Government’s approach to regulating for a new-build heat standard and that a regulatory rather than voluntary approach is needed to ensure that the Scottish Government meets its net zero targets.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Charlotte Lee would like to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Would you like to come in, Charlotte?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

We will move on in the interests of time—unless Ivan McKee has anything else to ask.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. Alan Stark wants to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is fine.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for doing that piece of work.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I think that that is right: this requires a change of mindset. It is not just a matter of thinking about the cost of the house; it is about understanding the costs over the time for which the person is living there. I am certainly aware of people who live in houses with air-source heat pumps who are absolutely delighted and who have a very nice temperature in their homes. Indeed, I like to go and visit them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. We sometimes have a challenge figuring out which Government people are talking about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Okay. I have another couple of questions that came out of the previous conversation. David Bookbinder raised some concerns around planning departments that involved planning permission being held up because of a lack of understanding. He described a situation where a housing association wanted to put air-source heat pumps on balconies but the planning department said, “You need to put them on the roof,” which would have a much greater cost. Are there things that we need to iron out in that regard?