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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that.

You mentioned the UK Government’s letter to the committee in your opening statement. If you could provide more detail, I would be interested in understanding what decisions you need the UK Government to make in order to progress your legislative plans. What indication has the UK Government given of the planned timing of those decisions, and how dependent on that are your plans for introducing the bill?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great. Did anything come up from the consultation on damp and mould? There has been quite a bit of concern about the move to a fabric-first approach, and I have heard horrific stories from people in my region who have had insulation installed by people who might not have been properly certified, which has resulted in an increase in damp and mould. Are you taking that into account?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to know that you are aware of the issue. We can look into it ourselves.

That brings us to the end of our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming to give evidence, which has been very helpful.

The one bit that has not been so helpful is that we have not got a timeline for the proposed bill. That matters to us so that we can plan our work programme, so we would appreciate hearing about the timeline as soon as possible. I take your point that you have had a lot of analysis work to do, and I get the sense that there are quite a lot of technical considerations, given the complexity of the diverse array of buildings in Scotland.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave the room.

11:25 Meeting suspended.  

11:27 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

We previously agreed to take the next items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:56.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Fulton MacGregor asked whether the move to five-year carbon budgets will have an impact on the expected level of ambition for emission reductions through heat in buildings, which you mentioned. About 20 per cent of our emissions come from housing. Will the shift in how we measure things have an impact, or will you keep doing what you are doing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Finally, we will move to delivery issues. Willie Coffey has a number of questions on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

When you talked about the air-source heat pump van—which I am well aware of—another couple of questions came to mind.

Earlier, you talked about Scotland having really diverse types of housing. In rural areas, as well as in Edinburgh, we have a lot of historical buildings. How do you handle that? In the committee, we have learned that we need to take a fabric-first approach, but that needs to be balanced with preserving areas where there is conservation. I am particularly concerned about how we fit traditional building skills in the mix in places where we need to keep the vernacular of a community’s buildings.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session as part of our inquiry into retrofitting of housing for net zero. As I mentioned, we have 75 minutes for this discussion, so I would be grateful if we could keep questions and answers as succinct as possible.

We are joined by Dr Alasdair Allan MSP, Acting Minister for Climate Action, and Scottish Government officials: Gareth Fenney, who is head of heat networks and investment; Sue Kearns, who is deputy director for heat in buildings policy and regulation; Ross Loveridge, who is head of heat in buildings assessment; and Neal Rafferty, who is head of the heat strategy and consumer policy unit. I welcome you all to the meeting.

I begin by inviting the acting minister to make a brief opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Mark Griffin with questions to start on our next theme, which is capital, debt and financial sustainability, I have to ask us all, in the interests of time, to move to more succinct questions and answers.

Mark Griffin joins us online. Mark, come on in.