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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thank you for letting me go down that path a little bit.

John, do you have any comments on the EPC ratings and the assessment methodology?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Mark Griffin, Willie Coffey and Fulton MacGregor.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Under our next agenda item, we will take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the reform of energy performance certificates. We are joined in the room by Professor David Jenkins, professor of energy and buildings at Heriot-Watt University, and Alan Stark, chair of the Scottish Property Federation’s sustainability and building design committee. We are joined online by Gillian Campbell, director of the Existing Homes Alliance Scotland, and Andy Parkin, technical development director at Elmhurst Energy. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

We have about 90 minutes for discussion. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. Members will direct their questions to someone in the first instance, but, if you would like to come in, please indicate that to me or the clerks. If you are online, please do so by typing R in the chat function. However, do not feel that you necessarily need to answer every question.

I will start with a scene-setting question for everyone, but I will direct it to David Jenkins first. What is your general sense of the need for reform of the EPC system? We have been talking about reform for quite a long time—since the Committee on Climate Change gave that direction in 2017. What are your overall views on the Scottish Government’s broad approach?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does that bigger picture connect with the heat in buildings work that is coming? Is that part of it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Andy, do you have any views on reform of the EPC system and the Government’s approach?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. It is good to get a sense of the time that will be needed for people to be able to work with the system after has come through in regulations.

David Jenkins, do you have any thoughts on those ratings and the assessment methodologies?

09:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great—thanks. Back to you, Alexander.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. I thank all the witnesses for contributing to the discussion. It has been helpful to hear their views.

I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:56 Meeting suspended.  

11:02 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

So it is about thinking about the bigger picture and the context. I asked about this earlier, and you touched on it—if we get to a point where we are delinking electricity from international gas prices, would the cost of the storage system fall?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Evelyn, when you ask your next question, I would like you to direct it to Brian Leask, as he would like to come in on that issue, and he can weave in what he wants to say about it as he responds.