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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Marie. I bring in Ivan McKee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Okay. That may be something for us to explore in the future.

Thank you very much for coming in this morning and giving your perspectives on the issue.

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next agenda items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 11:12.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much, Willie. I was just going to say that.

Marie McNair has questions for Chris. We will then come to Fionna, so if there is anything that you want to say at that point, you are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

We now turn to item 2, which is to take evidence on building safety, focusing in particular on progress over the past year on the single building assessment pilot programme, responses to the zero valuation of flats in blocks with potentially flammable cladding systems stemming from the external wall system 1 process, and the Scottish safer buildings accord. We are joined for our first panel by Chris Ashurst, who is group co-ordinator at the High Rise Scotland Action Group, and Fionna Kell, who is director of policy at Homes for Scotland.

I will begin. Chris—I will start with a question for you, and then I will come to other committee members. Are home owners and buyers still experiencing problems in moving or obtaining mortgages due to the zero valuation of homes that has been caused by concerns about fire safety? If so, what impact does that have on the people who are affected?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Another thing that I understand from conversation with people is that ICIAs are retrospective rather than proactive. I would like to hear a bit more about why people might think that that is the case. You talked earlier about there being some confusion around how ICIAs are used or triggered.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

You have talked a lot about the CDOs, who seem to be crucial in ensuring that the plans are taken forward. The ambition is that the project will go up to 2040. Is there a commitment that the CDOs will be resourced throughout the whole time covered by the project?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Do we understand why people think that they are retrospective rather than proactive? Perhaps there is a communication issue there.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Rhoda Grant’s line of questioning was really helpful. How will the £1 million for catalysing and confidence building be divided between the six islands? Will they have to apply for it, or will the money be split evenly? What approach is being taken?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to explore a bit more about the ICIAs, following the questions asked by Beatrice Wishart and the convener. I need a bit more explanation so that we can perhaps understand. Island communities are saying to me that the assessments need to be reviewed and that the bodies and directorates that are charged with undertaking them are the same as those that assess whether the impacts have been mitigated sufficiently, so they feel as though the process is somewhat flawed. From the conversation that we have had already, I get a sense that you are listening and taking on the learning, but what would you say in response to the idea that the same bodies that do the assessments are monitoring them? Where is the opportunity for communities to get real consideration?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

National Islands Plan Annual Report 2022

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that, Erica. That is really helpful and reassuring. I hear that this is something of an iterative process and that you are listening.

I want to come back to the piece around communities and public bodies and really ensuring that communities get their voices heard. How can we make sure that ICIAs are a mechanism that islanders can use? Examples that have been given to me include ICIAs being used to stop the air traffic control centralisation by Highlands and Islands Airports Limited and address the situation with Mull and Iona ferry capacity.

How can we make sure that ICIAs work for communities? In those two examples, the communities have been trying to raise the issues for quite a long time, and you would think that the assessments would flag them up and help us to be more proactive.