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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
We have a few supplementary questions on the back of that. I will bring in Mark Griffin to ask about savings targets before Paul McLennan takes us back to our favourite topic of ring fencing.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Robert, when you want to comment, please type the letter R in the chat function. However, I will bring you in now if you want to add anything to what has just been said.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Marie McNair, who is a member of the committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.
The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private. Do members agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Under item 2, the committee will take evidence from two panels of witnesses on local government fiscal arrangements. In the first session, we will focus on “Local government in Scotland: Financial bulletin 2021/22”, which the Accounts Commission published recently. For our first panel, we are joined by Bill Moyes, who is chair of the Accounts Commission, and Andrew Burns, who is a member of the Accounts Commission. They are accompanied by Carol Calder, who is audit director at Audit Scotland, and Blyth Deans, who is senior manager at Audit Scotland. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.
Before we open up the session to questions from members, I invite Bill Moyes to make a short opening statement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Robert Emmott, what about in Dundee?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
I am going to ask what might be the final question. During the earlier panel, I was talking to Bill Moyes about his statement about the need for councils to focus more on service reform to find the safe path through difficult times ahead. I am interested to know what you think when you hear about reform. I asked for specifics earlier but perhaps you have some thoughts about that that will help me to understand what he was getting at. Martin Booth has been nodding his head.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
It is great to hear that they still do books but that there is also the idea of stacking functions in a building and a space that is open to the public.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Okay. That is helpful—Covid funding is part of the issue.
The committee would also be interested to hear the commission’s view on the letter in which the directors of finance sought an additional £1 billion of funding for next year. The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government told the committee that that request
“was just impossible ever to meet.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 17 January 2023; c 24.]
The committee will hear from three directors of finance on the next panel. As the public spending watchdog, what is the commission’s view on that request by the directors of finance?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
We move to questions from Annie Wells, who joins us online.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 31 January 2023
Ariane Burgess
Thank you for that. The Accounts Commission highlighted a real-terms increase in Scottish Government funding to local government in the 10 years since 2013-14. In 2023-24, there is again a real-terms increase compared with equivalent budget figures for 2022-23. I would be interested to hear why local government argues that a settlement of £13.2 billion for local government is not enough. What more is required?