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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

On the point about empowering consumers, what are we hoping for? If we empower consumers, how will we see a change in the world around us?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

We started to touch on the fabric piece and changing the language around that. In the committee, we talk a lot about fabric first, but who knows what on earth that means? In relation to the EPC and the assessment, will there be more flexibility in what an assessor can look at? For example, I understand that there is a category for glass fibre insulation, but there is no flexibility around innovations such as hemp insulation, which is happening in Scotland and is very impressive. It would be fantastic to support that innovation, but it does not seem that assessors have the ability to acknowledge that that material is being used. There are all sorts of implications for really good things such as hemp, embodied carbon and carbon sequestration. I see Ross Loveridge nodding vigorously, which is good.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Fulton MacGregor MSP is joining us online this morning.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

That would be great, because I have heard about people who are trying to retrofit and want to do the best that they possibly can, but the materials are not recognised. It is great that you are taking that point on board.

I will move on with a question about the timetable for implementation. Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you talked about bringing forward the regulations a year before they come into force, to allow for a one-year transition period. I want to get a sense of whether that will give the assessor market and those in the property letting and conveyancing sectors time to prepare. Have you had that discussion with them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much; that has been helpful. That concludes our questions from members.

We move on to agenda item 3, which is formal consideration of the motion. I remind those present that the debate can last up to 90 minutes, and I invite the minister to speak to and move motion S6M-19564.

Motion moved,

That the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee recommends that the Energy Performance of Buildings (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Màiri McAllan]

Motion agreed to.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

We will now produce our report on the draft regulations for the Parliament’s consideration. Is the committee content to delegate responsibility to me, as convener, to agree the report on behalf of the committee?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

That would be great—thank you very much.

The possibility of going back to a 10-year validity period once people reach an EPC C rating is interesting. The other point that I will make on the five-year period is that technology changes and we are getting better at many things that could enhance building fabric and so on.

The next topic is the quality of assessments, assurance and governance, which Evelyn Tweed will ask about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will open up the questions by asking about EPC metrics and the assessment methodology. When you joined us in a previous evidence-taking session, you talked about the UK Government’s home energy model. It would be good to understand how you are working with the UK Government on that, how that work is progressing and how any risk that might arise from a delay to it is being mitigated. The home energy model is a foundational part of the proposed changes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next theme is the reduction in EPC validity periods, which Meghan Gallacher will cover.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is interesting that the majority of people have one property, but others have more than that. Do you have the data on that?