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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would be interested in hearing whether you feel that the recommendations on muirburn have been addressed in the bill and whether there is anything else that you would like to see in it. For example, in your review, you recommended increased training, which you have already addressed with my colleague Emma Harper. You also recommended that a fire danger rating system for Scotland should be introduced to better support decision making about where and when to burn, and that the Scottish Government should explore changes to the current rural payments and inspections division payments. It might not be appropriate to deal with those recommendations in the bill, but how do we ensure that they are dealt with? Is there anything else that you think should be addressed in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is good to hear that point from Mike Flynn. Do we have any developments in technology? We are aware of the digital technology that supports us with the raptor persecution aspect. Is there some kind of digital technology that we could apply to traps so that we could see whether they were being tampered with, just as you can see a vessel’s activity in our inshore fisheries?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I am not quite sure where to bring this in, but I want to clarify something. We are talking in detail about how and where traps are used, which is very helpful, so I thank Ian Andrew for that. I get the sense that we need to do a 360° look if we are bringing in this legislation. However, primarily the legislation is being introduced to address raptor persecution. In the policy memorandum, paragraph 13, under “Policy objectives”, says:

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

That is what we are trying to tackle here, is it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

What will we need to consider in expanding that power? What would they be allowed to do?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

My question is directed to Libby Anderson and Mike Flynn. We started to talk about Larsen traps and crow cage traps. I would be interested to hear about the animal concerns for trapped birds and decoy birds with multi-catch crow cage traps and Larsen traps. You have talked about it already, but I would like to hear a bit more.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that clarity.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

In that case there is something confusing in the policy memorandum, which may need to be clarified with the Government bill team. I wonder why the memorandum mentions that

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

Are glue traps used to trap birds?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Coming back to peat depth, my understanding is that that is an historical measurement that was used by the United Kingdom Government at the time when trying to identify energy sources. The measurement was about something different. We are looking at peat in relation to the damage that can be caused.

We have a peatland restoration initiative in Scotland in which we fund land managers to restore peat, so it seems to me that we are talking about two different things when we start to talk about depth. Peat is a continuous cover and, no matter its depth, we need to protect that in terms of our carbon emissions. What are your thoughts on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to pursue the question that I raised earlier. The policy memorandum mentions that the bill will bring in a ban on glue traps. It says that the bill

“is being introduced to address raptor persecution and ensure that the management of grouse moors and related activities are undertaken in an environmentally sustainable and welfare conscious manner.”

Paragraph 13 of the policy memorandum states that

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

Are glue traps used? Is that what we are trying to do here with the glue-trap ban?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning. Thank you for being with us this morning; so much good information has already come from your experience. You are already beginning to touch on what I wanted to get into in the meeting, which is the bigger picture in relation to land management and grouse moors, identifying the fact that we could start to create a credible science base and understand what is really going on. I am interested in hearing what you think is the potential for sustainable grouse moor management contributing to tackling the climate and biodiversity crisis. Could the bill support that?