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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill, with the first session taking the form of a round-table discussion. We are joined in the room by Phil Diamond, who is the managing director at Diamond and Company, Jocelyne Fleming, who is the policy and public affairs officer at the Chartered Institute of Building, Gary Strong, who is the head of professional practice at the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, and Kate Swinburne, who is the associate director at OFR Consultants. We are joined online by Alan McAulay, who is building standards hub pilot director at Local Authority Building Standards Scotland, and Jim McGonigal, who is joining us from the Institution of Fire Engineers. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

I will begin our conversation by inviting everyone to introduce themselves. I am Ariane Burgess, a member of the Scottish Parliament for the Highlands and Islands region and the convener of the committee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is a very good point. It seems to me that there needs to be some kind of operating and maintenance manual that should be handed over, if we are to address the issue that Kieran Walker mentioned in relation to who is responsible for what and where the line is.

Pam Gosal has a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. We now proceed to questions from members. I ask the witnesses to indicate to me if they would like to respond to a question or to something that someone else has said. As Paul Turnbull is participating virtually, I ask him to do that by typing an R in the chat function. I ask my colleagues Stephanie Callaghan and Willie Coffey to do that, too.

The intention is that this should be a free-flowing conversation rather than a question-and-answer session. We will see how we do with that. We have quite a few questions and prompts. There is no need for you to manually turn on your microphones, as we will do that for you.

I will begin. I have a few questions, one of which is a big question about the bill. Chris Ashurst, I will direct it at you initially, so that you pay attention when I ask it. The Scottish Government has not publicly consulted on the proposals in the bill. Given that, do you think that the bill addresses the concerns that owners and residents have been raising with the Scottish Government over the past few years?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Yes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Does anyone else want to come in on the question of whether the bill addresses the concerns or on the issue relating to speedy progress?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for adding those perspectives.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. That is very clear: you need to know about scope and sign-off. Does anyone have anything to add to that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Is that detail something that needs to be in the bill? Some bills provide enabling powers to do something. Is that something that can be worked out?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Maybe as we go through our questions we can dig into some of that. That would be great.

I will ask my next question; you can mix my questions together if you have not already spoken. We are aware that house builders have raised concerns in written evidence about the lack of detail—which we have been talking about in general—on the single building assessment. Could you explain briefly those concerns and outline how they could be addressed?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will ask a quick supplementary question. When you describe that concern, what are you imagining that a developer might be asked to go back in to do several months later? Do you have anything in mind that would allow us to understand it a bit more?