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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to get into the granular detail. It is great to hear that you recognise the importance of having the skill sets around the table. One of the things that came to light when we gathered evidence was that there is a need for acknowledgement that community engagement is a professional skill that needs to be resourced, whether that role is performed by local authorities or the third sector. That must be recognised, because there is so much work that needs to be done right now and so many changes that need to be made for which such facilitation and engagement skills are crucial.

Earlier, we talked about the fact that voices are not being heard. Councillor Heddle talked about the need to create the space in which people feel comfortable and safe to express themselves. We must recognise that a professional skill set is needed to enable that to happen and that we need to resource that. That is not about dictating what the arrangement will look like at local level, but we must get out of the situation that we are in. In Scotland, we face a challenge regarding the budget situation, but we need to start looking at how we get that soft infrastructure in place so that we have people who are able to engage with and to facilitate work with communities to ensure that they are not trapped in a cycle of one-year funding. As our witnesses well know, that one year is taken up with getting the money in the first place, then having to report on how it has been used.

We need to continue the conversation on that, but I would be interested to hear your initial thoughts.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Joe FitzPatrick, do you want to come in on the community planning aspect?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Councillor Heddle and them Tom Arthur can add his comments.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. Tom, do you want to come back in?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Oh, you are coming in. Go on.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

The name of the windproofed polytunnel that you were trying to remember is Polycrub. They are popping up across my region.

I will give Councillor Heddle the opportunity to comment on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

We move on to questions from Ivan McKee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I direct this next question to Councillor Heddle, because I think that he has mentioned this issue more often than anybody else has this morning. What is your thinking on what the process will be for phase 2 of “Democracy matters”? We are familiar with phase 1, which we took evidence on as part of other work that we were doing. It would be interesting for us to hear what engagement you will be doing and what the timeframe for that will be.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. You are certainly lining up some more work for yourself for when you come back to see us.

I thank everyone so much for joining us this morning and helping us to understand your perspectives on community empowerment and the direction of travel for the community empowerment agenda in Scotland.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of officials.

10:49 Meeting suspended.  

10:54 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would like to go a bit deeper on that. What would the Scottish Government’s role be if a local authority were failing to make progress on shared priorities or if services in key devolved areas such as education or social care were perceived to be underperforming? Have you got as far as that in the agreement work?

11:15