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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

There is some work to be done to find that detail.

That concludes our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming in this morning and sharing their perspectives in that discussion about the local government workforce in Scotland.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:12 Meeting suspended.  

10:16 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Does anyone else have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Robert, do you have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting. We have received apologies from Mark Griffin and Marie McNair.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 4 in private. Do members agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

We move to questions from Miles Briggs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will come to Johanna with my next question, which will layer on the challenges that have been spoken about. Thank you for flagging up the current dispute. You will be aware of the new deal with local government. The Scottish Government and COSLA are working on the details of that. What are your thoughts on the key ways in which the new deal could support local authorities to address the workforce challenges that they are facing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. This has been another rich panel discussion. It has worked well in getting more detail from your perspectives, so I thank you all for coming to share your thoughts with us.

As agreed at the start of the meeting, we will now move into private session.

12:43 Meeting continued in private until 12:50.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that.

I am going to start with the general question that I have been asking at the beginning of each session. What are the main challenges for the local government workforce at the moment? I will start with Fiona Whittaker.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that response. I remind everybody that we have about 10 minutes left of the session, although we have some flexibility to go over a little bit. I invite everyone—both my colleagues and our witnesses—to try to keep questions and responses as tight as possible, because we are not even halfway through our questions. Quite a few of the things that we want to ask may have already come out in previous questions, but there is some detail that we want to get to.

I want to pick up on absence rates. The Accounts Commission highlighted that recruitment challenges and high sickness absence levels are a considerable source of pressure for councils. In 2021-22, the overall absence level for non-teaching staff was the highest on record, at an average of 12.2 days per employee. What do you think are the key drivers of that increase and what can local authorities do to support staff to reduce levels of absence?