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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

I need a little bit more understanding for this conversation. This is not the question that I was going to ask, but I would like to get a sense of this from Nim Kibbler. You have talked a number of times about resource efficiency. At the very beginning of the evidence session, I noted down your mentioning healthy livestock and local food in that context. Could you unpack what you mean by “resource efficiency” a bit more, so that we can understand it?

You can perhaps also touch on the question that I was going to ask, which follows on from Emma Harper’s questions on opportunities with what could be used as fertiliser. That is also what Donna Smith talked about in discussing how crofters are using seaweed. The seaweed sector in Scotland is growing; it seems to be moving. Does that present a possible opportunity for more natural fertilisers, or does it become too technical?

Anyway—what does “resource efficiency” mean?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Okay. I guess that I will just have to go and research it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

That would be helpful. It seems to me that that is quite an important part of the conversation, which we need to unpack and understand more.

What about the seaweed? Do we think that it presents a possibility?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Is there enough funding and other support to allow you to think about where to put the trees and so on?

10:45

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Nim, you talked about soil being a driving factor in the overall—you used the word “holistic”—practice that you and other farmers in the Nature Friendly Farming Network use. In the whole farm plan, there is a soil test that farmers can opt into voluntarily. However, it is surprising to me is that farmers do not test their soil, if soil is a driving factor. That testing is currently optional. What more do we need in place?

There is a spectrum of people, ranging from those who have never tested their soil all the way to Mr Griffin down in the Borders—I cannot remember his first name—who tests his soil to an incredible level. What more would we need, by way of support, training and so on, to help farmers to move to an understanding that soil really is a direct, driving factor?

09:30

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

It has been an interesting conversation so far. I can predict the answer to this question. The plan assumes that around 45 per cent of farmers will take up low-carbon measures, with most of that happening after 2030. As 2030 is the year before the next election, I think that the Government assumes that a lot of work will be done from 2026 to 2030, in terms of that rabbit that will come out of the bag.

From where you sit, does it feel realistic that we will get to 2030 and we will suddenly have that uptake? What would need to change on the ground for the uptake to scale now and into session 7? We have talked a lot about policy, but what other things do we need to help farmers to move in the holistic direction that we are talking about? [Interruption.]

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Ah, tatties—great.

Do you have a sense that enough farmers already know what they need to do? We have legislated for regenerative and sustainable farming under the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024. Do enough farmers know what that is and what they need to do, or does there need to be more support? We have tier 4, which specifies continuous professional development, but does that get to the point of helping farmers to understand the new context that they need to be working in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

We have talked about a cliff edge, and a hillock has now been introduced, but it seems that we are in a place where people who are working with the land—farmers—need to try things out. Nim Kibbler has talked quite a bit about how we have a nuanced, diverse landscape, with different land and soils. Do we need to do something more to recognise that and to encourage farmers to try things out, knowing that, if it fails, there is the just transition—or perhaps not the just transition but some kind of support—in place in case a farmer puts a field over to trying more integrated measures or whatever, or they try certain cover crops or something and it does not work and they do not get a yield? Do we need to recognise that there is time to try things out over the next five years, that some of that will fail and that farmers need to be supported in that work?

10:00

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Yes, I will move on to the issue of peatland and trees. We have heard that farmers and crofters are central to delivering peatland restoration and tree planting. I am interested in hearing whether the evidence shows that current support and advice are strong enough or well enough integrated to make that happen at scale. If not, what is missing?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

We perhaps do not want to put that on to Jackie Baillie; we could ask the Government about it. There are fish counters in the Government’s data-gathering mix, but how comprehensive is that?