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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Sara Cowan has indicated that she wants to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thanks very much for that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Mark Griffin MSP and Fulton MacGregor MSP are joining us online today, and we have received apologies from Emma Roddick MSP. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items four and five in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

We turn to questions. We will try to direct our questions to specific witnesses in the first place, but if you would like to come in, please indicate that clearly to me or the clerks. That would be really helpful. Sara Cowan, please do that by typing an R in the chat function, and broadcasting will track that for us. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. We will do that for you.

We will cover a number of areas, including problems with the current system and the need for reform. We will go on to cover revaluation and the practicalities and politics of that. Finally, we will look at barriers to reform and how to address them. Other things might come up in the mix, as well.

I will kick off with a question about the problems—I was assigned that job. Despite all the commissions and the claims that council tax is unpopular, it has managed to survive for 32 years. From your perspective, what are the benefits, if any, of the current council tax system?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions, but I just want to thank Joanne Walker for making the point about taking control of the narrative. Indeed, a clear thread in your contributions has been the need for communication as we move forward with the process. I thank everyone for joining us and for a very helpful and illuminating discussion.

I suspend briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:47 Meeting suspended.  

10:54 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Exactly. It is not a simple matter.

We move on to a new topic—barriers to reform and how to address them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

David, you are nodding. Do you want to add anything?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great. Thanks very much.

That concludes our questions. We have ended up with a very clear next step, which is making revaluation a priority and just getting on with it. I get the sense that it is almost a case of our not being able to see the following step until we take that first step. Once we do that, we can start to get a greater understanding of where we need to go.

I appreciate your joining us today for what has been a really helpful discussion. As that was our last item in public, I close the public part of the meeting.

12:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:23.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I call Alexander Stewart to ask our final few questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

This issue has been touched on a bit, but I want to get to the bottom line. The IFS claims that

“Adding more bands would allow for a more fine-grained relationship between property value and tax liability”,

but it notes that the Welsh Government believes that having a relatively small number of

“wide bands makes valuation easier and reduces the number of appeals.”

I am interested in hearing a bit more about that from David Phillips, and whether Emma Congreve agrees with that.