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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

I think that Gordon MacDonald has a supplementary question about brownfield sites.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

To clarify, you said that you disagree, but it is not necessarily about the planning fee; it is the ring-fenced nature of the—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. Those are quite big figures, so we need to take a big step from where we are now with employment if we are to support the just transition aspect of NPF4.

I might be going a little bit off piste, but on my commute from my home to Edinburgh, when going through the Aberdeen area, I often encounter folks who have just come onshore or who are about to go offshore. From talking to them, I know that the job package that they get is very attractive—startlingly attractive, actually. What can the renewables sector do to attract people to the industry? I was talking to one person recently who said that the oil and gas industry is still the way to go, so there is work to be done to help people to understand the opportunities.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2024 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are in silent mode. Pam Gosal and Stephanie Callaghan are joining us online, and we have received apologies from Mark Griffin.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

It would be interesting to see how things develop a year from now. Mairi Maciver, you have indicated that you want to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Does anybody have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Morag Ferguson or Mairi Maciver, would one of you like to come in? Morag is nodding.

09:15  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Can I just come in? You are saying that on policy 1 there is uncertainty about how to respond to the nature requirements. Why is that so important? I think that people understand the climate emergency, but what is going on in nature that makes it so important and puts it at a high level and makes it the first thing that we come to when we read NPF4?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for your useful points. The challenge is that where the wind blows in Scotland there is a lot of peat.

I will bring in Gordon MacDonald with a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4 (Annual Review)

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Ariane Burgess

The next item is to take evidence on the committee’s annual review of national planning framework 4 from two panels of witnesses. On our first panel, we are joined in the room by Ian Aikman, who is the chair of Heads of Planning Scotland, and David Givan, who is the chief planning officer at the City of Edinburgh Council. We are joined online by Morag Ferguson and Mairi Maciver, who are both planning managers at the Comhairle nan Eilean Siar. I welcome all the witnesses to our meeting. I love the backdrops of the witnesses who are online. Thank you for that—they are really lovely.

I remind members and those who are participating in the session that there are active legal proceedings concerning the interpretation of NPF4 policies and the interaction between those policies and existing local plans. Under the Parliament’s standing orders,

“A member may not in the proceedings of the Parliament refer to any matter in relation to which legal proceedings are active except to the extent permitted by the Presiding Officer.”

Although we do not wish the discussion and debate to be unduly restricted, I ask members and witnesses to avoid referencing specific matters that are currently before the courts.

We turn to questions. We will try to direct our questions to a specific witness where possible, but if you would like to come in please indicate that to the clerks. I ask Morag Ferguson and Mairi Maciver to indicate that they want to come in by typing R in the chat function. There is no need for you to turn your microphones on and off because our broadcast team will do that. Morag and Mairi should note that there might be a slight delay before their mic is turned on. Do not worry about that; we are aware of the pause.

I will begin with a couple of questions. I will direct the first question to Ian Aikman. The committee keeps on hearing calls for the Scottish Government to establish a hierarchy of NPF4 policy priorities. The idea of doing so would be to assist decision makers and developers. Do you think that that would be a good approach? If you do, why? If you do not, why not?