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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. I appreciate all the technical detail that you are bringing in. We will take that away and look into it with our research team. I will bring in Chris Ashurst, Paul Turnbull and then Jodi Terras.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that clarification. Paul Turnbull, you wanted to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thanks very much for that. Paul Turnbull, I think that you will have the last word.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for those poignant closing words.

I thank everyone very much for coming. We could have taken a bit more time, but I think that you managed to get across all the points that we really need to hear. We can go away and look into some of the detail that you have highlighted. Thank you so much for making the effort to come in between storms Isha and Jocelyn.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

10:56 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is an interesting distinction.

Before Pam Gosal asks her next question, I have a supplementary for Fionna Kell. How many SMEs in Scotland would fall under the £10 million threshold that you mentioned? Do you have that number?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Great—thanks. I will bring in Julie Jackson and then other members who have indicated that they want to come back in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is a very good point. It seems to me that there needs to be some kind of operating and maintenance manual that should be handed over, if we are to address the issue that Kieran Walker mentioned in relation to who is responsible for what and where the line is.

Pam Gosal has a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

You say that the scope has grown arms and legs, and you identified a couple of examples of that. We will explore that further as we go on. Do you think that speedy progress on cladding remediation is dependent on the bill, or are there things that could be done now to get on with the job?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

I want to clarify something. Are the two adjacent buildings that have insurance of a similar size and design to your development?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. We will turn to questions from members. Please indicate to me or my clerk if you would like to respond to a question or to something that a panel member has said. Julie Jackson, as you are participating remotely, if you type R in the chat function we will pick up that you want to come in.

As I said to the first panel, the intention is that this will be a free-flowing conversation rather than a question-and-answer session. It will be quite tricky to get done in the time that we have, but let us see what we can do. As you have learned from going round the table, you do not need to operate your microphones. We will do that.

I will begin. I am interested to hear your views on the fact that the Scottish Government has not publicly consulted on the proposals in the bill. Given that, do you think that the bill addresses the concerns that house builders have been raising with the Scottish Government about cladding remediation over the past few years? Stephen Andrew is closest to me. You said you have that remit, so I will start with you.