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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, we will take evidence on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill from the Minister for Housing, Paul McLennan, who is joined in the room by Scottish Government officials Kate Hall, director, and Rachel Sunderland, deputy director, from the cladding remediation directorate; and Micheila West, from the legal directorate.

I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement, after which I will turn to questions from members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

We know from what we have heard from owners and residents that one of the key challenges for them is the difficulty that they face in obtaining insurance and in selling or remortgaging their property. It is not clear from the evidence that we have heard that an approach that involves responding to the challenges of cladding alone, and not responding to the wider fire safety issues, will precipitate a change in the situation. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thank you very much. We might take that further, because we maybe heard something a little different in our evidence sessions. Maybe we will highlight that in our report.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I want to respond to that a little bit. We have heard about tolerable risk, and we have heard that, at the moment, there is a pass or fail approach, but experts and others are calling for a more nuanced approach. At the moment, a building could end up being in a high-risk category, but the situation could be more nuanced. What is needed is something that has an amber category—that is how people have been referring to it. Can you talk to that a little?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

It was just about the funding commitment. You pointed out that there is £41.3 million, but we visited a building for which it is estimated that about £40 million is needed to remediate it. From what you said in your previous answer, I understand that it is demand led and there will be more money coming, but, at the moment, that would be the amount for just one building. Obviously, different buildings will require different amounts.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

This has been such a good session, and it is bringing up more questions. I will bring Stephanie Callaghan back in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that opening statement, minister.

As you will be aware, we have had some very useful and constructive round-table sessions on the bill, as a result of which we have questions for you.

My first question is on the scope of the bill. Owners of, and residents who live in, buildings with potentially flammable cladding have said that the bill does not address the key issue that they face, which is the lack of action to remediate fire risk in a timely manner. What reassurance can you offer that the bill will deliver speedy cladding remediation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I want to go back to Mark Griffin’s question on the public consultation. You said that you have had extensive meetings with various stakeholders, but I did not hear you mention fire safety experts, surveyors or the people who will need to deliver the work on the ground. Have you had meetings with them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Minister, thank you very much for joining us for what has been a useful, constructive session. We have had clarity on a number of issues, and we will certainly highlight some points in our report. We very much appreciate your joining us.

I will now suspend the meeting briefly, to allow the minister and his officials to leave.

11:09 Meeting suspended.  

11:11 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

It is great that you are aware that that needs to happen. I now bring in Mark Griffin.