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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

On Monday, we had a fantastic session with farmers and crofters. It was insightful to talk to folk who are doing the work on the ground. One point that came up in the conversation was that farmers make something that, at the other end of the process, gets sold on to businesses that are considering their scope through emissions.

In your thinking about the objectives, how much consideration did you give to things such as the Sustainable Markets Initiative? I am not sure whether you are aware of it, but it has an agribusiness task force of Fortune 500 companies, which, globally, has decided on five metrics—greenhouse gases, water use, the efficiency of nitrogen and a couple of others. I realised that the committee had not talked about that, but it came up on Monday.

How much have you thought about the fact that we are using public money to support farmers and crofters to become more sustainable, yet some of them sell into global markets? Did you take that into account in thinking about the need for flexibility in the bill? Is that why you think that the bill needs to be a framework bill?

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Sticking with the metrics piece, something else that came up was an anecdote from a farmer who has to do a carbon footprinting audit for one part of their business and a different one for another part. When the farmer shared that information, it spawned input from a whole lot of other people, so there is something there that we need to look at. How do we align that? Farmers are having to look one way to meet the needs of one company or industry and then another way for another. Other things came up around alignment with environmental metrics and biodiversity accounting and audits. Somebody said that they felt that, if they invited different companies to come and do their biodiversity audit, they would get different answers. How do we get to a place where there is clarity across the piece as to measurements and how we track things such as that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. It is great that you have already progressed the conversation into the area of delivery, so, when others respond, it would be good if they could give us their thoughts on strategic challenges such as the ones that Callum Chomczuk has indicated, including challenges for councils, as well as anything else that they want to say in relation to implementing the vision.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will follow up that discussion with a couple of questions, the first of which is a broad one that picks up on the issue of balance. I am interested to hear people’s reflections on the extent to which the Scottish Government is adequately balancing the need to address the short-term housing problems that we have heard about against the longer-term housing policy aims. Do any priorities need to change?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Jane Wood and Michael Cameron also want to respond on this issue, and then I will come back in with another question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

As a rural and islands MSP, I will say that, in some places, two houses do actually make a place. That is part of the challenge: the situation is quite nuanced, depending on where the need exists and what we are seeking to accomplish in making a place.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Do you have evidence that you can share with the committee regarding the concerns that you have raised about house builders pulling out and investing elsewhere?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

It would be great to know more about that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our discussion of “Housing to 2040”.

Before we finish, as I mentioned, we have a few questions, which I know are not necessarily relevant to all the witnesses, about the regulations under the Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022. I hope that we can get through those questions quickly, but let us see how we get on.

I will start. I would like to know whether those of you to whom this is relevant agree in principle that the Scottish Government should use its powers to amend the rent adjudication system to smooth the transition away from the rent cap.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Does anyone have anything to add? We have questions that will build on this.