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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

There is something to be done in the development of SSIs. You heard the convener ask that we get plenty of notice ahead of the work that we will be doing in the autumn and the winter. I imagine that it is hard for small organisations that do not have a lot of resource to track what is coming. It is about letting people come in early on in the process.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. That is one of the issues that I have been trying to understand. Tier 4 is coming down the line, and it is all about the training piece, but, in the meantime, how do we help farmers to understand the transitions that they need to start making so that we can meet the objectives that are set out in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

It will emerge through CPD and that type of thing.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Are there aspects of the code that are suitable for them as well?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. I am looking forward to seeing it all.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Minister, you have said a number of times that what is going on is change: farmers and crofters will have to change. You described having to look through the paperwork, and we have heard that you have made adaptations to address the challenges around digital access—for example, there still being paper for people who do not want to use digital.

I am interested in change that can be challenging for people’s mental health. We touched on that a little bit in the earlier discussion. People have a routine and a way of doing something, and then suddenly they have to change. This is not directly related to the whole-farm plan, but, overall, are you taking into account mental health and the support that farmers and crofters will need as the changes come into their lives? Sometimes, people do not want to face change, so they do not look at it. Do you recognise that soft-skill support is needed for those people?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am interested in getting some detail on tier 2. In a letter, you wrote that

“the research shows that direct payments do not automatically benefit farmers and crofters when those direct payments are not targeted, and those payments may even have unintended negative impacts on innovation, productivity and environmental benefits.”

You went on to say:

“With this in mind, Tiers 1 and 2 of the new framework will reflect the lessons learned to deliver on our commitment to a just transition for our farmers and crofters.”

I would like to get a sense of what the tier 2 measures currently look like and what lessons have been learned about how to design tier 2. Will the measures be similar to or different from the draft measures that were published in 2023? Can you also unpack that a little? I know that tier 2 is broken down by sector, but the word “measures” is ambiguous, so it would be helpful to know how many measures there are. Also, to go back to the discussion we have had today, colour coding might be helpful in differentiating between what is CAP stuff and what will happen in the future. I love your route maps, but they are confusing because they do not show what is old and what is the future.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

We understand, from the First Minister’s announcement a few weeks ago, the split that we have been discussing this morning between tier 1 and tier 2, but there are two other tiers, tier 3 and tier 4. Will you outline briefly where we are with those? What are they and where are you at in that process?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I do not think that any of the committee members is afraid of technical matters. Sometimes, a bit of detail colours our understanding. We get out to meet farmers, so it is helpful to get a bit of an illustration of what you are working on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is going to exist, but it could be consigned to digital dust or whatever. It could be stuck on a website with no one engaging with it. What is your plan to get people to engage with it, think about it and understand it? Otherwise, it is just a code for the sake of having a code, which does not really do anything.

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