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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

It sounds as though that proactive work is also useful for COSLA’s discussions with the Scottish Government as the budget is being negotiated. Therefore, the mid-January full stop is not the starting point; it is the end of the beginning of the process.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

We are joined by our second panel: Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government; Andrew Connal, who is the local government pay and workforce lead in the Scottish Government; and Ellen Leaver, who is the acting director for local government in the Scottish Government. I welcome the cabinet secretary and her officials to the meeting. We have around 90 minutes for this evidence session, so I will move straight to questions.

We have a number of themes, the first of which is the forthcoming budget. You will be aware that, at the Conveners Group meeting, we asked the First Minister about multiyear funding and had reassurances from him that that would hopefully be forthcoming in the budget. I want to ask for a bit more certainty about that as the issue came up in evidence from COSLA and others.

Across the work that we have been doing on pre-budget scrutiny, we have heard that there is still a need for flexibility. We have moved in that direction, but there are still calls for that. I am interested to hear your views on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. Willie Coffey, come on in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Staying on the theme of transformation, I will bring in Alexander Stewart.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

So there is a need for a more nuanced understanding and for better information to be uncovered.

We will move on to the theme of—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. We will move on to the transformation agenda, which Mark Griffin will ask about, but if there is any other information that you want to tuck into your answers to the next questions, please do that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on the big hopes for AI, and I hear your point about the opportunities, cabinet secretary. This point did not come up in the last panel, but it has come to my mind, and I would be interested to understand what sense the Government has of it. The data centres will use a huge amount of energy, and I wonder whether we are preparing properly for that need when we are trying to roll out our renewable energy sector, upgrade a grid and everything else. Is that issue being taken on board?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

That would be good because we are putting a lot of hopes on AI helping local government. Given we are trying to keep an eye on what is going on, that would be helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. [Interruption.] Someone is calling in from far afield. I will bring in Evelyn Tweed, because we have started to touch on workforce issues, and she has a number of questions in that area.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will stay on workforce issues a little bit longer. We have heard from previous panels about high levels of sickness and about the challenge of skills shortages. That is balanced with the issues to do with the ageing workforce. We have also heard about violence against local government workers potentially putting people off from wanting to come into local government. It would be helpful if you could talk a bit about that.