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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item is an evidence session on the draft Energy Performance of Buildings (Scotland) Regulations 2025. We are joined by Màiri McAllan MSP, the Cabinet Secretary for Housing. The cabinet secretary is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Ross Loveridge, head of the heat in buildings assessment and legislation alignment unit; Norman Macleod, a senior principal legal officer; Patrick Mason, the head of the heat in buildings assessment unit; and Jess Niven, interim deputy director of heat and buildings policy and regulations.

I welcome everyone to the meeting. There is no need for you to operate your microphones, and I remind everyone to switch their electronic devices to silent.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot comes into force until the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to approve the instrument. I remind everyone that Scottish Government officials can speak in the evidence session under this agenda item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Mark Griffin has our final round of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

What are those agreed timelines?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Could you give us an indication of your plans for updating the auditing and assurance requirements?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Will you say a little more about smart auditing, Ross? That sounds interesting.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Alexander, you had questions in that area. Do you want to pursue those?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

On the point about empowering consumers, what are we hoping for? If we empower consumers, how will we see a change in the world around us?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

We started to touch on the fabric piece and changing the language around that. In the committee, we talk a lot about fabric first, but who knows what on earth that means? In relation to the EPC and the assessment, will there be more flexibility in what an assessor can look at? For example, I understand that there is a category for glass fibre insulation, but there is no flexibility around innovations such as hemp insulation, which is happening in Scotland and is very impressive. It would be fantastic to support that innovation, but it does not seem that assessors have the ability to acknowledge that that material is being used. There are all sorts of implications for really good things such as hemp, embodied carbon and carbon sequestration. I see Ross Loveridge nodding vigorously, which is good.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. Fulton MacGregor MSP is joining us online this morning.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ariane Burgess

That would be great, because I have heard about people who are trying to retrofit and want to do the best that they possibly can, but the materials are not recognised. It is great that you are taking that point on board.

I will move on with a question about the timetable for implementation. Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you talked about bringing forward the regulations a year before they come into force, to allow for a one-year transition period. I want to get a sense of whether that will give the assessor market and those in the property letting and conveyancing sectors time to prepare. Have you had that discussion with them?