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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

That means that, from now until 2029, only the three existing producer organisations will have access to that fund.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

One of the challenges that we established earlier regarding the producer organisation aspect is that the definition is reserved. Does that include the requirements for the organisation to have a turnover of at least £1 million, for producers to contribute 100 per cent—or 75 per cent—of their product, and for the organisation to have a minimum of five producers?

I hear that you want to keep the funding, because—as I have understood—it is not so much about protecting the three producer organisations but preventing people south of the border from tapping into the Scottish budget. It was fascinating to hear that, if we do not pass the SSI, more people could tap into the £3 million fund from the start of next year.

I hear all the reasons why you want to keep the producer organisation scheme, which are that it works for the three producer organisations. However, is it possible that, instead of doing that scheme, the Government could step back and say, “Let us create a fruit and veg scheme”? This is the first SSI that has directly addressed fruit and vegetables. Surely we should have an SSI that would let us fund all fruit and vegetable producers and take a percentage of the Scottish agricultural budget—let us say that is 4 per cent, or something—and let any producer be able to access it. We could do that rather than create this exclusionary policy, which is odd. You are effectively asking us to pass an SSI that would support three producers organisations but not let anyone else to come in for the next four years. If we do not support the SSI, more producer organisations could be set up and get into action.

It is also interesting that there were 11 producers organisations but now, after several years, there are only three. We got down to three producer organisations and we are now creating an exclusion through this SSI that will allow only those three to continue. In the meantime, there are a lot of other producers that want and need access to all the things that could help them to produce food for Scotland.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

The SSI is about fruit and veg. We were talking about small producers then all of a sudden we were talking about private kill. That is absolutely fine, but there is a concern—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

The fruit and veg producers were the stakeholders who got in touch with us to express their concern about being shut out of that £3 million funding pot.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

This is my final point, convener. I will say again what I said the previous time: it seems to me that some aspect of communication is missing. I know that communication is challenging, and you have identified that there are many different interests across the country and within the farming sector. However, farmers and crofters depend on certainty to plan for the long term. You have been in the sector and know all too well that farmers want and need certainty, especially in the face of challenging and uncertain weather patterns, such as floods and droughts. Communication needs to be considered when rolling out the measure. If the information is going to be drip fed, you need to say something such as, “We are going to bring this forward, but we are doing these things as well.”

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

No one else can get into the fund until 2029.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

If we pass the SSI.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

Will you explain to the committee how they can access the scheme?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

So, 2029 would be the next time that anyone could access the scheme. Even if people decided, “Right, we are going to get together and put in 100 per cent of our produce,” it would be three years before they could get involved in tapping into the important £3 million fund.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

But we are not hearing that. The problem is that we are not seeing concrete—