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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the council tax system in Scotland. We have around 75 minutes for this discussion. We are joined by Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, and her officials. Ellen Leaver is the acting director for local government, and David Storrie is the head of local taxation policy, at the Scottish Government. We are also joined by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resources spokesperson at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, and Mirren Kelly, who is the chief officer of local government finance at COSLA.

If we cast our memories back to the 2015 commission on local tax reform, it was a major piece of work involving consultation, research and cross-party engagement. I am interested in understanding from the witnesses—starting with the cabinet secretary—why they think that the commission ultimately failed to lead to any significant changes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that. Certainly, the point about political will came up quite strongly in our previous sessions on the issue.

I will direct my second question to Katie Hagmann. In its letter to the committee, COSLA states its intention to work with council leaders to develop cross-party support for reform. Given the political make-up of Scotland’s councils and the wide range of views, I am interested in understanding how you intend to approach that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 7th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

Our first agenda item is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

As there are no comments, does the committee agree that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor with the next few questions, I note that Katie Hagmann just mentioned—and, throughout the meeting, we have talked about—modelling that will take place imminently. Would you be willing to share with the committee the modelling and the analysis of it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

We heard in the previous evidence session that it might take three years from the beginning of the next parliamentary session to put something in place, so it sounds like a good idea to do some work up front to ensure that we can move forward at the beginning of session 7.

Have you, in your collaboration, kept in mind that an election is coming up, that manifestos are being written and so on? Are you considering that in your timeline? Katie, did you want to come in here?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

In response to my first question, Shona Robison said that the 2015 commission on local tax reform had some good recommendations but did not propose anything specific. How much you are going to look at those recommendations as part of the process, rather than reinventing the wheel?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to hear that you recognise that.

I will move on and bring in other members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

On your comment about people’s reactions to tax, we are, in a way, in an unfortunate situation. In thinking about how we become a modern and progressive Scotland, we often look to the Nordic countries, but what they show is that taxation is really important for all the public services that make life good for everybody. Perhaps, as part of the process of considering the council tax, we have an opportunity to give people a better understanding of what it actually does.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the council tax system in Scotland. We have around 75 minutes for this discussion. We are joined by Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, and her officials. They are Ellen Leaver, who is the acting director for local government, and David Storrie, who is the head of local taxation policy at the Scottish Government. We are also joined by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resources spokesperson at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, and Mirren Kelly, who is the chief officer of local government finance at COSLA.

If we cast our minds back to the 2015 commission on local tax reform, we will remember that it was a major piece of work involving consultation, research and cross-party engagement. I am interested in understanding from the witnesses—starting with the cabinet secretary—why they think that the commission ultimately failed to lead to any significant changes.