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So, even before we come to legislation, you would encourage other councils to do that.

I will bring in Neil McInroy before we move to questions from Miles Briggs.

Yes.

I understand that there is a working group on CSOs and CPOs, and I think that the Government has stated that those will be reviewed. Work is being done on that, so it might not need to be addressed in primary legislation, but you have made good points.

Iain Gulland, can you talk a bit about the idea of material banks and the potential for valuable materials for communities?

That is very true. I am aware of a lot of small initiatives that need tremendous support.

Mark Griffin indicated an interest in asking about net zero. I think that this would be a good time for him to come in, as Iain Gulland has started to talk about that.

You have certainly made a good point about the need to change our materialistic direction of travel. Tackling that will be very challenging for us, especially when everybody is looking at their screens and being told what they need next in their lives to make them brilliant.

Mark Griffin has another question.

I thank Stephanie Callaghan for bringing up that example.

I will bring in Linda Somerville then Iain Gulland, then we will have to wrap up this incredible conversation.

Good morning and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2024 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee.

I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are in silent mode.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Thanks very much. As I said, welcome to this evidence session. Oh—I am sorry. Stacey Dingwall, would you like to introduce yourself?

Matthew Brown has experience of community wealth building in Preston. When you were starting out on that community wealth building journey, was there confusion and was work needed to try to get people to understand that it is not just a values-driven form of economic development but is more than that?