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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 March 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It was on headage, which you covered, convener.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Could we build on the back of anything that currently exists in tracking farming activities, or would it need to be something new?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Vera, you talked about carbon pricing signals. Can you elaborate on that a bit more?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. If you would send on that detail, that would be great.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It would be good to understand that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to pick up on a few points. In the Parliament, we hear quite a bit about co-design from the Government. This may just be a comment, but we hear “co-design” and then we hear “dissatisfaction”, not just on this committee or on this particular issue. Before I got this job, I used to do design thinking. Is something in the co-design process causing that dissatisfaction? Is there a process that is clearly laid out for the people that you are working with? The double diamond process is an example of a model that gets used a lot. Do people really understand the process that you are taking them through?

Another point is that people are burnt out with consultation. We have heard from colleagues elsewhere that people do not feel as if they are really being heard. It goes beyond being listened to. It is one thing to be listened to, but it is another thing to be heard—you see that there is an outcome because somebody has heard what you have to say.

There is something interesting in there about process, and it leads on to my next point. Last night, the cross-party group on crofting met. The suckler beef SSI came up again as a concern, as well as general concern about the design and roll-out of the system. SSIs are coming—potentially, they will be coming thick and fast; we are not sure—and we do not have a lot of time to scrutinise them.

Minister, it was good to hear that you have visited crofters and built those connections and relationships. I want to get a sense that you are working with crofters, and other farmers before the committee even sees the SSIs—“behind the curtain”, as I would put it—so that people have time to contribute to the co-design in a genuine way. Last night, quite a bit of concern was expressed about that in relation to crofters’ experience.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I understand that it is not easy, but I am also a bit concerned about the fact that that is all in your thinking—I hope that it has been disseminated across your team.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The last topic is knowledge transfer and capacity building. Mike Robinson said that education is the biggest skills deficit in every sector. David McKay talked about peer-to-peer learning and the tiny amount of money for that in tier 4, which needs to be increased. Dave Reay also talked about that.

The 2020 update to the climate change plan talks about all the different things that the Government is focusing on, such as communication methods, using technology and media to best effect, how to get the information over and how to build capacity in farmers. We have talked about peer-to-peer knowledge transfer and David McKay talked about farmer-led clusters. What mechanisms should be used to facilitate knowledge transfer between research institutions, policy makers and the farming community to meet the climate and adaptation goals? I am asking not necessarily about farmer-to-farmer knowledge transfer but about how we get what Vera Eory has talked about all morning to farmers through policy makers.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am glad that Dave Reay mentioned the RLUPs, because I have a note that I took earlier in the conversation that says “Working at scale?” I have a good and constructive RLUP in the north-west and one thing that comes up when I talk to it is the need for what I call soft infrastructure, by which I mean something that is Government-funded that involves people who have the skills to convene the large-scale landscape groups. What do you think about that idea for speeding up the process? I hear your frustration on the RLUPs, but do we need to have that infrastructure of people who are not managing the land but who have the skills to project manage and bring everyone together?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Specifically on the issue of getting crofters behind the curtain and co-designing—