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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. I am pleased that the committee so far seems to be taking a public health approach to the issues. Mr Dunne, I want to challenge you on a couple of points.

You said that your organisation takes the safety of children very seriously. Having had a quick Google of a few of your members, I must ask, what are you doing to address the fact that some of your members are selling flavours that are clearly targeted at children? One of them in particular is selling a flavour called Super Mix, which everyone round this table who has any young people in their lives will know is also a variant of Haribo—something that children are given as a treat. How does that square with what you said about being serious about products that target children?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

Forgive me, but my question was specifically framed around children and young people.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

There are two sides to data collection. There is the collection of data on smoking and increasing age and, as you said, Dr Reid, acute harms from that will show up relatively quickly. For vaping, however, we could be looking for different data, because we have not seen the long-term chronic harms of vaping, particularly for young people who start as young as 10, 11 or 12—eight in some cases.

Refillable products are also still out there, and the industry can reinvent itself and come up with another product that is within the right price range for young people. We need to be alive to any of those evolutions.

On the research into vaping, what do we need to do to monitor the impacts of the disposables ban and to note any further trends and changes so that we can move policy and legislation quickly to react to what is going on?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

That is great. Thanks.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

How would the witnesses like any potential health benefits to be evaluated once the bill is passed? Obviously, it might take a while for the impact of some of the measures to show up in the population health data, but do the witnesses have any initial thoughts about how to monitor and evaluate the impact?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Healthcare in Remote and Rural Areas

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

I am pleased that the cabinet secretary mentioned the third sector and the voluntary sector. They were among the people whom we spoke to on our visit to Skye, but I have also spoken to some who operate across bits of rural South Lanarkshire. Those organisations face logistical issues such as when they hear about funding. Some of them even referred to basic things such as not getting emails back from people in health boards and local authorities about how and where to access funding.

What more can the Scottish Government do to ensure certainty for organisations that are delivering vital services, whether it be in mental health or in other areas of health and social care? How can they have certainty about the most basic things, such as knowing more than a month in advance that they are going to get funding for the next quarter, for example?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

If no one is actually taking up the guidance that you are issuing, you will forgive us for feeling that that aspiration rings hollow.

On top of that, you said that you are concerned about vapes coming in from China in particular. One member of your organisation is a medical biotechnology company based in Shenzhen, and another is the China Electronics Chamber of Commerce. How do you square the concern about vapes coming in from elsewhere with the membership of your organisation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

Price is also a major issue that we have heard many concerns about with regard to the accessibility of the disposable vapes to young people. Some of your members are selling vapes with 20mg of nicotine in them for as low as £4.99—that is about the price of a Tesco meal deal; it is children’s pocket money. What are you doing to ensure that the prices of vapes are outwith the reach of young people? Would you support a form of minimum pricing per milligram of nicotine or something similar to make sure that they were outwith young people’s price brackets?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Healthcare in Remote and Rural Areas

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

On preventative healthcare, given budgetary pressures across the board in all services, but particularly in health services, how is the Scottish Government ensuring the financial sustainability of health services amid rising costs? What resource allocation strategies are being employed to balance immediate acute needs with long-term planning and a shift towards preventative healthcare, particularly in remote and rural places that are facing the challenge of demographic changes in the workforce and patients?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Healthcare in Remote and Rural Areas

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Gillian Mackay

We have explored some workforce issues. How does the work to support the workforce link in with the wider need for reform?