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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you. I will move on to other parts of our discussion.

Dr Tickell, in your opening remarks you touched on young people understanding the rights that they will have once the bill gets over the line, if the amendments are accepted. How should we ensure that young people understand their rights? We had an excellent example of that earlier when a witness on our first panel gave us a demonstration. Do the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament need to get better at that, to ensure that we reach people across a span of ages? We are really good at talking to ourselves, but we are not necessarily good at talking to people who are outside the room.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

I wonder whether Dr Tickell would like to add to that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you. It is useful to know that that communication is now happening between the cabinet secretary and young people, because that is vitally important, particularly as we move—we hope—towards getting the bill over the line. That is the crucial point and is why we are discussing the issue again.

I want to pick up on the points that Paul O’Kane raised about COSLA and Social Work Scotland. Juliet Harris, you also briefly mentioned redress. COSLA raised the concern that children might find it difficult to identify when they can seek redress for UNCRC incompatibilities using the powers in the bill. What are your thoughts on how the Scottish Government can ensure that all children who are deserving of redress receive it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Good morning, panel. There has been a lot to unpick already, just in the answers to the first couple of questions. Your evidence has painted a different landscape to that of the previous panel. That is good, because it means that we are getting into the nitty-gritty of the legislation. My questions will stray a little from what I had planned to ask, because of how our discussions so far have gone.

I will start with a question for Derek Frew. It concerns the age of a child, which is an important concept when we consider legislation that impacts children and young people directly. In Scotland, we have an anomaly whereby people can legally do different things at different ages, because they either are, or are not, considered a child at certain points in their lives. We already have the UNCRC bill, but the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill is now going through Parliament as well. Does the Government need to be stricter on age or to define when a person goes from being a child to an adult? I am certainly wrestling with that and I know that other members are, too, in the context of legislation, because it just seems to be a minefield. In the justice system, someone can be of an age at some point, but in another context the age will be completely different.

What are your thoughts on that? I invite Dr Tickell to come in on that, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

I offer a warm welcome to the panel. I will start with a reflective question. It has been almost two years since the Supreme Court ruling and it has taken that length of time for the Scottish Government to bring the bill back to the Scottish Parliament for reconsideration. In relation to the feedback that you have had from children and young people and, indeed, your own feedback, are you disappointed with the length of time that it has taken for the amended bill to come to Parliament to be reconsidered?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

That suggestion about flow charts goes back to the idea that children might expect to have some kind of visual demonstration of their rights.

Does anyone have any other comments on the redress scheme?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Good morning. John is the author of my question. He says that the citizens panel has concerns that, even though diversity education in personal, social, health and economic classes has a lot of detail on issues such as sexuality, race and gender, there is little reflection on or understanding of cultural differences. He asks:

“How is the minister working with the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise to ensure that teachers have the appropriate equalities and diversity training to fully support the teaching of cultural diversity and delivery of PSHE in a culturally sensitive way?”

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

The phrase “culturally sensitive” is perhaps one of the most important aspects of this. We certainly want young people from all different backgrounds to feel included, not excluded. That narrative is certainly coming through. Is a review of PSHE teaching formats appropriate, so that we look at the new dynamic of diverse learning? Would that be appropriate to consider, to ensure that we include all cultures in the classroom and not just the cultures that we might have in the Scottish Parliament?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you, minister. Convener, this might be for discussion in private but perhaps we could send a follow-up letter to the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise to mirror what we have asked this morning.

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