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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Minister, we heard from Esther Roberton last week. I am a little bit confused. Why, despite commissioning it, did the Government reject her report recommending a single legal regulator in Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Meghan Gallacher

My question is on the issue that Maggie Chapman has raised about striking the right balance between the consumer and the legal profession. We have heard a lot about that this morning, but we have had no real explanation of how it is measured. We need the minister to explain that to the committee and the public. Will the minister summarise the reforms that the bill will bring in a way that will be easy for the public to understand? I am not sure that we are in that space yet, given the discussion that we have had this morning.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

As it stands, the Parliament is scrutinising legislation that the Scottish Government itself intends to amend, and that aspect has been part of the discussion that we have had thus far. We are looking at the bill at face value, but we know that significant and valid concerns have already been raised, and we do not know whether the forthcoming amendments will make those in the legal profession more amenable to the bill.

I throw this question out there. Is there a risk that if the intended amendments are not forthcoming as soon as possible, the legal profession could lose confidence in the principle and direction of the bill? Given that we might have to invite witnesses back to re-scrutinise the amendments once we have sight of them, could that set back the implementation of the intended principles of the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

I go back to the first answer that you gave. Do you think that where we are now is far removed from where you started in terms of your review? If you were to give any advice to the Scottish ministers at this point, would it perhaps be to relook at the original principles that you outlined?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

I must admit that, after the line of questioning from Paul O’Kane, I am concerned about the current status of the bill. You rightly summed it up at the start by saying that the bill seems to have upset everyone. That is certainly true.

I am worried because we could end up having to heavily amend the bill, which would involve scrutinising the amendments that were forthcoming from the Scottish Government and engaging with all stakeholders involved. That goes beyond the legal side; it also relates to the consumer side, because the intention of the bill is to streamline the legal process to make sure that people can access it where possible.

I do not know whether you have any further comments on that, but I will put that aside and move on to the concerns relating to the independence between the legal profession, the judiciary and, of course, the Executive. Many concerns and arguments have been raised that, with the new legislation, the Lord President could be drawn into a collaborative Administration with the Scottish ministers.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the proposed powers for the Scottish ministers and whether there is any way of manoeuvring to make sure that the judiciary remains completely independent.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

It relates to the powers that the bill, as it stands, gives to the Scottish ministers.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

At the risk of starting a new debate, I will leave it there, convener. Thank you very much, everyone.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

I wish to return to the complaints process and the complainer’s fee. We do not have that in Scotland, but it exists in other places, including South Australia, where I believe there is a complainer’s fee equivalent to £60, which is returned to the complainant should their complaint be successful. Given the pressure on the complaints system, and referencing the delays that were mentioned earlier, has anyone on the panel thought whether it would, in that regard, be better for the legal profession were we to proceed with the bill?

I am happy to throw that out to whoever would like to answer.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you very much, panel.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you.